In oups.com,
Neil Williams typed:

Bob Wood wrote:

So if they arrived at Gloucester, how did they turn up in Oxford? I
don't seem to be following this very well.
:-)


Gloucester Green is the name of the main bus station in Oxford.


Whoooosh!!


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In message
(Aidan Stanger) wrote:

Jack Taylor wrote:

wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:

There isn't a TOC which runs the HEX service. HEX is operated by HEX
for the BAA.

So you're saying that HEX is a company that operates trains, but it's
not a train operating company...?

It is a train operating company (a company that runs additional trains on
the national network). It is not a Train Operating Company (a company that
has bought the franchise to operate a specified set of services within a
geographical area, according to DfT minimum service requirements), the
successors to the BR Train Operating Units.

TLAs don't have to be capitalized in their expanded form to be
abbreviated.

They don't even have to be separate words! TNT is trinitrotoluene,

A pedant writes:

Tri-Nitro-Toluene, it is not one word

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Graeme Wall wrote:
(Aidan Stanger) wrote:

They don't even have to be separate words! TNT is trinitrotoluene,

A pedant writes:

Tri-Nitro-Toluene, it is not one word

Au contrai under IUPAC rules, it is, and there are no internal
hyphens or capitals.

see, e.g. http://www.acdlabs.com/iupac/nomenclature/79/r79_61.htm

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"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
.. .
Graeme Wall wrote:
(Aidan Stanger) wrote:

They don't even have to be separate words! TNT is trinitrotoluene,

A pedant writes:

Tri-Nitro-Toluene, it is not one word

Au contrai under IUPAC rules, it is, and there are no internal
hyphens or capitals.

But you should really specify that you mean
2,4,6-trinitrotoluene
with commas and hyphen.

Peter

On 20 Jan 2006 00:53:19 -0800, Yorkie wrote in
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uk.railway:
Ross wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:45:38 -0000, wrote in
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[...]
A typical sequence of events might go something like this:

1. A passenger arrives at HEX ticket office.

2. The passenger sees the sign saying travelcards aren't valid.

3. Despite having a travelcard, the passenger buys a HEX ticket anyway.

No, sorry, your argument fails there. The typical passenger arriving
at the HEx ticket office isn't going have a ticket - that's why
they're at the ticket office.

Even at Paddington?

I'd have thought a 'typical' passenger would arrive by rail (either
'mainline' or LU), and therefore be likely to have a travelcard.

You're making the same mistake, I think.

If they're arriving at the *ticket office*, they're intending to buy a
ticket in the first place, which makes the argument being advanced
completely fallacious.

If they're arriving at the ticket barrier (if there is one) or on the
platform, then it's a different matter entirely.

[....]
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Peter Masson wrote:
"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
Graeme Wall wrote:
Aidan Stanger wrote:
They don't even have to be separate words! TNT is trinitrotoluene,

A pedant writes:
Tri-Nitro-Toluene, it is not one word

Au contrai under IUPAC rules, it is, and there are no internal
hyphens or capitals.
But you should really specify that you mean
2,4,6-trinitrotoluene with commas and hyphen.

Oh indeed, but I was going for the simplest outcome. (Do you think the
MI5 scanning algorithms have picked up this conversation yet?)
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Ross wrote:

You're making the same mistake, I think.

If they're arriving at the *ticket office*, they're intending to buy a
ticket in the first place, which makes the argument being advanced
completely fallacious.

If they're arriving at the ticket barrier (if there is one) or on the
platform, then it's a different matter entirely.

The offending message, as I recall, appears on the PIS displays
throughout the station.

Neil

"Neil Williams" writes:

The offending message, as I recall, appears on the PIS displays
throughout the station.

Therefore making some people who already hold a 1-6 travelcard to
believe the signs rather than the advice they were given earlier and
unnecessarily purchase a HEX ticket.

On 20 Jan 2006 09:40:19 -0800, Neil Williams wrote in
om, seen in
uk.railway:
Ross wrote:

If they're arriving at the *ticket office*, they're intending to buy a
ticket in the first place, which makes the argument being advanced
completely fallacious.

If they're arriving at the ticket barrier (if there is one) or on the
platform, then it's a different matter entirely.

The offending message, as I recall, appears on the PIS displays
throughout the station.

The argument being made by Pippa specifically states that the
passenger doesn't see the sign until after they've arrived at the
ticket office:

A typical sequence of events might go something like this:
1. A passenger arrives at HEX ticket office.
2. The passenger sees the sign saying travelcards aren't valid.

I'm not arguing against the idea that HEx should remove the signs
saying "Travelcards are not valid" when they are being accepted; I'm
arguing against the validity of the specific sequence of events as
posted by Pippa.
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On 17 Jan 2006 14:03:27 -0800, "Ross Hall" wrote:

My understanding is HEX are not paid when the Pic line goes down, just
as Pic aren't paid when HEX (occasionally) goes down and passengers
have to move on to the blue line.




For engineering work acceptance, LUL pays HEX a chunk of money to
cover travelcards.


You're wrong.


Rob.

(also works for LUL!)
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