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I think you've completely misunderstood what tfl and HEX were doing that
day. No wonder the ticket agents laughed at you it's very funny.

He's just so typical of anyone who loves to yell 'rip-off' at every
possible opportunity.

CJB, HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make money for its
shareholders and to pay its staff. Business is business.

Ian

"Ian F." wrote in message
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"d" wrote in message
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I think you've completely misunderstood what
tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder
the ticket agents laughed at you it's very funny.

He's just so typical of anyone who loves
to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity.

He's right!

HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make
money for its shareholders and to pay its staff.

HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use travelcards
on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more money
from them.

Business is business

Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called "fraud".

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

My understanding is HEX are not paid when the Pic line goes down, just
as Pic aren't paid when HEX (occasionally) goes down and passengers
have to move on to the blue line.


Ross
--
The Smoke
http://www.the-smoke.com

On 17 Jan 2006 14:03:27 -0800, "Ross Hall" wrote:

My understanding is HEX are not paid when the Pic line goes down, just
as Pic aren't paid when HEX (occasionally) goes down and passengers
have to move on to the blue line.




For engineering work acceptance, LUL pays HEX a chunk of money to
cover travelcards.


You're wrong.


Rob.

(also works for LUL!)
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

"John Rowland" wrote in message
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"Ian F." wrote in message
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"d" wrote in message
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I think you've completely misunderstood what
tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder
the ticket agents laughed at you it's very funny.

He's just so typical of anyone who loves
to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity.

He's right!

HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make
money for its shareholders and to pay its staff.

HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use
travelcards
on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more
money
from them.

Business is business

Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called
"fraud".

They weren't deceiving anyone. The use of travelcards was permitted on the
service - travelcards didn't replace the HEX tickets.

I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an
fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was
ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good value
ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the
fare - I don't get what the problem is.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

"d" wrote in message
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I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an
fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was
ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good
value ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged
over the fare - I don't get what the problem is.

You'll never get them to understand. Some people think businesses exist
solely to do them favours. I'd like to see how *they'd* run a business!
;-)

Ian

"d" wrote in message
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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"Ian F." wrote in message
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"d" wrote in message
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I think you've completely misunderstood what
tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder
the ticket agents laughed at you it's very funny.

He's just so typical of anyone who loves
to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity.

He's right!

HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make
money for its shareholders and to pay its staff.

HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use
travelcards
on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more
money
from them.

Business is business

Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called
"fraud".

They weren't deceiving anyone. The use of travelcards was permitted on
the
service - travelcards didn't replace the HEX tickets.

I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an
fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was
ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good
value
ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the
fare - I don't get what the problem is.

Can't you? The first choice cheaper route was closed. so there was no
alternative. All these rail services are operated with a subsidy from the
tax payer, so they should be a public service. Public services should be
operated in the interests of the public. Having private companies run a
service without competition is a farce.


--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Mikael Armstrong wrote:
"d" wrote in message
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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"Ian F." wrote in message
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"d" wrote in message
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I think you've completely misunderstood what
tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder
the ticket agents laughed at you it's very funny.
He's just so typical of anyone who loves
to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity.
He's right!

HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make
money for its shareholders and to pay its staff.
HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use
travelcards
on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more
money
from them.

Business is business
Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called
"fraud".
They weren't deceiving anyone. The use of travelcards was permitted on
the
service - travelcards didn't replace the HEX tickets.

I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an
fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was
ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good
value
ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the
fare - I don't get what the problem is.

Can't you? The first choice cheaper route was closed. so there was no
alternative. All these rail services are operated with a subsidy from the
tax payer, so they should be a public service. Public services should be
operated in the interests of the public. Having private companies run a
service without competition is a farce.

Actually, I don't think HEx receives any subsidy from the tax payer -
its construction and running costs were/are entirely funded by BAA, as
it's an "open access" operator.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:38:08 +0000, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Actually, I don't think HEx receives any subsidy from the tax payer -
its construction and running costs were/are entirely funded by BAA, as
it's an "open access" operator.

It might do, indirectly. It uses Network Rail tracks on the GWML, but
doesn't have to pay the full maintenance costs for this track -
Network Rail does, and *is* subsidised by the taxpayer. I suppose it
would depend on whether the track access charges paid by HEx, FGW,
etc, for accessing this stretch of track are enough to cover all its
maintenance costs.

"Mikael Armstrong" wrote in message
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"d" wrote in message
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"John Rowland" wrote in message
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"Ian F." wrote in message
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"d" wrote in message
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I think you've completely misunderstood what
tfl and HEX were doing that day. No wonder
the ticket agents laughed at you it's very funny.

He's just so typical of anyone who loves
to yell 'rip-off' at every possible opportunity.

He's right!

HEX is not a philanthropic society - it's there to make
money for its shareholders and to pay its staff.

HEx were presumably paid for all of the passengers who would use
travelcards
on that day, but then chose to lie to passengers in order to get more
money
from them.

Business is business

Obtaining money by deception is not called "business", it's called
"fraud".

They weren't deceiving anyone. The use of travelcards was permitted on
the
service - travelcards didn't replace the HEX tickets.

I don't see why people are complaining they were allowed to travel on an
fast, expensive train for the cost of an underground ticket. No-one was
ripped off, no-one was defrauded. Some people just got a really good
value
ticket, while others paid the correct fare. No-one was charged over the
fare - I don't get what the problem is.

Can't you? The first choice cheaper route was closed. so there was no
alternative. All these rail services are operated with a subsidy from the
tax payer, so they should be a public service. Public services should be
operated in the interests of the public. Having private companies run a
service without competition is a farce.


Really? How much subsidy did/do HEX receive?