On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:36:13 +0000, Adrian wrote:


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/low-emission-zone/faqs.asp

How does that relate to participants in the London to Brighton run?

This para relates...
"There is no intention to target cars with the proposed LEZ."

Even if it was to target cars, surely a one-off special vintage car event
would be issued with an exception with out argument ?.

Not as if they are planning to run around the city in circles for a week.

Besides a lot of those vintage/veteran cars are probably better on the
emission front than many newer cars, simply 'cause their owners look after
them properly....

Bob wrote:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/local...682621,00.html

The Guardian article indicates that local government reform may be on
the way in the form of City Regions. It sounds like deja vu all over
again for Greater Manchester although local politicians have
reservations about a directly elected mayor like London's "Red Ken" -
although the colour seems to have faded.Whilst not going along with
many of his views I have always been impressed with the way he has
through, Transport for London, been an innovative force - driving
forward the Docklands Light Railway,

Including an extension under the Thames which will be virtually emptied
once a more direct route is built.

the East London Line extension,

That's been driven forward??? They must be driving very slowly?

the congestion charge ( particularly putting the surpluses back into
transport infrastructure.)

That has been a big success so far, but few other places have the
suitable conditions for a self funding scheme like that to succeed.

and a sensible system for regulating the buses.

That one predates TfL.

Outside of London the eight major city regions are generally
groaning with congestion on a crumbly infrastructure so perhaps relief
might be in sight.
But now I wonder - is there a catch?

More to the point, will it really make funding for light rail schemes
more readily available?

--
Aidan Stanger
http://www.bettercrossrail.co.uk

"Aidan Stanger" wrote

driving forward the Docklands Light Railway,

Including an extension under the Thames which will be virtually emptied
once a more direct route is built.

Will it? Even if Crossrail is completed at the earliest possible date, DLR
will have several years head start to Woolwich Arsenal. Current plans for
Crossrail do not include any station between Custom House and Abbey Wood,
and the only possibility is remote from Woolwich Arsenal station/town
centre. Woolwich town centre must be an important traffic objective.
Crossrail is also unlikely to have a station at City Airport, so the best
route from South East London/Thames Gateway to there will be via Woolwich
Arsenal and DLR.

Peter

Peter Masson wrote:

"Aidan Stanger" wrote

driving forward the Docklands Light Railway,

Including an extension under the Thames which will be virtually emptied
once a more direct route is built.

Will it? Even if Crossrail is completed at the earliest possible date, DLR
will have several years head start to Woolwich Arsenal. Current plans for
Crossrail do not include any station between Custom House and Abbey Wood,
and the only possibility is remote from Woolwich Arsenal station/town
centre. Woolwich town centre must be an important traffic objective.
Crossrail is also unlikely to have a station at City Airport, so the best
route from South East London/Thames Gateway to there will be via Woolwich
Arsenal and DLR.

My guess is that Crossrail plans were manipulated to justify the DLR
extension. Why else would they miss out an important traffic objective
and a cheap station?

--
Aidan Stanger
http://www.bettercrossrail.co.uk

Aidan Stanger wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:

"Aidan Stanger" wrote

driving forward the Docklands Light Railway,
Including an extension under the Thames which will be virtually emptied
once a more direct route is built.

Will it? Even if Crossrail is completed at the earliest possible date, DLR
will have several years head start to Woolwich Arsenal. Current plans for
Crossrail do not include any station between Custom House and Abbey Wood,
and the only possibility is remote from Woolwich Arsenal station/town
centre. Woolwich town centre must be an important traffic objective.
Crossrail is also unlikely to have a station at City Airport, so the best
route from South East London/Thames Gateway to there will be via Woolwich
Arsenal and DLR.

My guess is that Crossrail plans were manipulated to justify the DLR
extension. Why else would they miss out an important traffic objective
and a cheap station?

Since when were deep-tube heavy rail stations cheap?

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:

Aidan Stanger wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:
"Aidan Stanger" wrote

driving forward the Docklands Light Railway,
Including an extension under the Thames which will be virtually emptied
once a more direct route is built.

Will it? Even if Crossrail is completed at the earliest possible date, DLR
will have several years head start to Woolwich Arsenal. Current plans for
Crossrail do not include any station between Custom House and Abbey Wood,
and the only possibility is remote from Woolwich Arsenal station/town
centre. Woolwich town centre must be an important traffic objective.
Crossrail is also unlikely to have a station at City Airport, so the best
route from South East London/Thames Gateway to there will be via Woolwich
Arsenal and DLR.

My guess is that Crossrail plans were manipulated to justify the DLR
extension. Why else would they miss out an important traffic objective
and a cheap station?

Since when were deep-tube heavy rail stations cheap?

City Airport could be served by building a cheap station on the surface,
on the straight track section slightly E of the present Silvertown
station.

I didn't claim they'd be able to build the Woolwich station cheaply.

Having said that, it just might be possible to do so by using the
existing (upgraded) Woolwich Arsenal station, as the earlier proposals
for a Woolwich tunnel did before Crossrail was involved. I do not have
enough information to say that CLRL are definitely wrong when they say
it can't be done, but they have been so obvioulsy wrong about other
things that it wouldn't surprise me at all.

--
Aidan Stanger
http://www.bettercrossrail.co.uk