Peter Kelly wrote:


Barry Salter wrote:



If you go by train, then the following fares apply, according to
QJump.co.uk:

Standard Day Single rte Clapham Junction Not London: £3.40
Cheap Day Single rte Kensington Olympia: £4.20
Standard Day Single rte Kensington Olympia: £4.60
Cheap Day Single rte Any Permitted: £4.80
Standard Day Single rte Fulham Broadway: £5.00
Standard Day Single rte Any Permitted: £5.30
First Day Single rte Kensington Olympia: £6.00

The National Fares Manual *only* gives the route Clapham Junction Not
London fares. The others are the fares from Willesden Junction, as Kenny
O is a "related station".


Thanks. That makes 9 possible single fares when LUL (Oystercard and
non-Oystercard) are added in. Is this a record for a 7 mile journey?

For fun, you could add in the 49 bus for £0.80 off peak Oyster, £1.00
morning peak Oyster, £1.50 cash... (and about an hour).

I hadn't realised that it was possible to find out the routeing
information on the web - I assumed that Qjump's link which says "There
may be alternative, slower routes with cheaper tickets" wouldn't do
anything if there wasn't a slower route but now I see that's where they
hide the routeing info.

Qjump also shows a Standard Day Single rte Clapham Junction Not London
for £1.80, but with no validity on any trains!

The fares on this route seem pretty screwed up to me. I think that
(unless I need a travelcard that day) I'll be sticking to the tube for
£1.00 single on Oystercard and foregoing the excitement of guessing
whether a tube or NR train will go next.

Will the fares for this journey be rationalised when the Mayor takes
over Silverlink?

Well, you'll be able to get from Olympia to Clapham Junction on your
prepay for £1, but not from CJ to Wimbledon!


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:51:31 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:14:21 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:58:22 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

Would I be correct in assuming that this arrangement does not work in
reverse? e.g. you cannot buy a Warren St to Selhurst 4 zone train tube
ticket? I am not aware that we have suddenly gone zonal on through
tickets in the London area - I thought we still had individually priced
destinations with limited interchange / routing options. If you are
able to clarify I'd be very grateful.

The current TfL Fares and Tickets leaflet includes details of Train-Tube
fares and suggests that they're available from both LU and NR Ticket
Offices.

So I see - I had missed that completely.

I recently had to travel from West Brompton to Walthamstow Central. Now
that can either be wholly on the tube or else I could toddle along
various bits of Silverlink (WLL, NLL, GOBLIN) to Blackhorse Rd and
change - mad I know but I fancied an above ground trip. Upon enquiring
at West Brompton the poor clerk could not find a fare for a station
beyond Willesden Junction. In the end I went by tube as I hate having to
rebook mid journey - especially at a nightmare place like Willesden
Junction.

While I know UTS can be notoriously limited in its range of NR
destinations it sounds to me that the above explanation would imply that
my journey could be covered by a LU ticket for zones 234 [1]. Are you
able to confirm that?

Looking at the last issue of the NFM shows West Brompton as a related
station (priced from Willesden Junction) and Walthamstow Central as a
related station as well (priced from Tottenham Hale).

The only fares given for Willesden to Tottenham Hale are routed Any
Permitted, and include cross London transfer.

Well having looked at the zone map and the 2006 fares guide my view is
that the fare should have been £3 - tube / train ticket for Z23 not Zone
1. If that is genuinely the fare then I am amazed that the booking clerk
did not know or could not find the fare in his machine - especially as
the NLL and WLL are interavailable (so in effect LU fares anyway!).

Just to complicate matters I wanted a priv as well but something tells
me I could not have not got one against the tube / train fares.

Given the question posed by the OP I am very surprised that the various
fare databases can throw up 9 fares. If I am understanding the concept
of these fares correctly then he should simply pay a Z23 fare regardless
of what train or route he takes because Olympia to West Brompton is
interavailable and you can change anywhere between modes / operators for
one price. Therefore it is effectively LU as far as West Brompton if he
takes a TOC train and then carries on under the TOC element of his fare
to Wimbledon via Clapham Junction. Alternatively he could leap off and
get the District Line or go via the District Line via Earls Court.

I'm sure I've got this wrong somehow. I used to know this stuff inside
out but it's either got much more complicated or I'm getting a bit thick
in my old age! Goodness knows how passengers are supposed to work it
out.

Short answer is that I'd need to check on RJIS at work to see what *it*
thinks the fares are, as QJump doesn't give enough information.

If you are able to look it up I would be grateful as I may stand a
chance of understanding how this all works.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!