John Rowland wrote:
The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.
This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber phase. ).

Why?

In article , John Rowland
says...

The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.

Good. Its a big ****ing green box with a picture of a bicycle in it.
It's meaning is hardly ambiguous.

This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber phase.

What utter rubbish. I can manage it in a vehicle 40 times the weight.

OPEN YOUR EYES. ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN.

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Conor,

Same ****, different day.

"Conor" wrote in message
t...
In article , John Rowland
says...

The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not
only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is
reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle
box.

Good. Its a big ****ing green box with a picture of a bicycle in it.
It's meaning is hardly ambiguous.

This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber phase.

What utter rubbish. I can manage it in a vehicle 40 times the weight.

OPEN YOUR EYES. ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN.

--
Conor,

Same ****, different day.
----------------------------------------------------------Cyclists in London
are uninsured arrogant aggressive scumbags,I try to knock at least one off
of their bikes every day the easiest way to take one out is to get in front
of some cocky ******* whose doing about twenty five MPH & apply your
handbrake that way your rear lights don,t come on,& with a bit of luck they
smack into your rear possibly breaking their necks "who gives a ****"if
every one does this we can cull every cyclist within 9 months.

John Rowland wrote:
The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.
This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber phase. I
don't see how the police can do this without lengthening the amber phase to
compensate, but even that doesn't really help. I think the only fair
solution is to remove the final stop line - since cyclists have no license
plates, the final stop line no longer serves any purpose except to allow the
prosecution of drivers who went through the meaningful initial stop line
during the amber phase, which will of course increase scamera revenue, at
the expense of large amounts of tax revenue when professional drivers lose
their licences in droves (drove being the past tense of drive.... hehehe).

I assume this is a wind-up....
Unless you can't see either the stop line or the light, (in which case
should you be driving?), I don't see how your ability to stop behind the
line is altered.
Incidentally, I waited immediately behind the cycle box yesterday for the
green light for turning right from Silvertown Way to George Street, and
after about five minutes the driver behind tapped on my window and informed
me that the sensor only activated if I pulled my car forward onto the green
box!


I assume the 'main' light is a normal green rather than a straight ahead
arrow. In which case you can legally cross the 'stop' line and wait in
the junction. I know of junction where the loop detector is far in
advance of the stop line, so that when vehicles remain behind the stop
line they only get min RT and 3 or 4 get through instead of 12+

I also know of a major junction where there is a RT used by significant
numbers but there are only 'green arrows' for left and straight ahead
with no full green. My reading of HC suggests that you may never turn
right at that junction!

Jim Chisholm

Walter Briscoe wrote:

It is EXTREMELY hard to comply with all traffic regulations and the
policy of automatic penalties is very hard. As an amateur motor vehicle
driver, I get two or three tickets each year. I am currently resisting
one. It was depressing that the helpline of the issuing London Borough
and several others could not point to the relevant legislation.

You are obviously a very amateur driver. I've been driving for 40 years
and at one time drove 30k+ miles pa.
To date I've had no tickets, fines, endorsements or penalty points.

Jim Chisholm

"J. Chisholm" wrote in message
...

I've been driving for 40 years and at one time drove 30k+ miles pa.
To date I've had no tickets, fines, endorsements or penalty points.

But your blue fibreglass three-wheeler doesn't impress the chicks!

John Rowland wrote:
"J. Chisholm" wrote in message
...

I've been driving for 40 years and at one time drove 30k+ miles pa.
To date I've had no tickets, fines, endorsements or penalty points.


But your blue fibreglass three-wheeler doesn't impress the chicks!


No but my TR3A bought for £200 used to, and I was never even stopped in
that (;-)

Jim

On 28/4/06 09:40, in article
, "Martin Underwood"
wrote:


The solution to this is to move the traffic light poles back so they are
level with the car stop line.

In almost every other country I've been to, you stop in a line with the
traffic lights -- ie don't pass a red signal. But here, oh no, we scatter
traffic lights confusingly all over a junction, often way past the stop line
on the other side of the road, and then paint a white line and tell people
don't cross that line if the lights are red.

It was always a bad system; better enforcement of it makes it more obviously
so.

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"John Rowland" wrote:

The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle
box.

A much more helpful use of cameras would be to catch those drivers who
obstruct pedestrian crossings at traffic light controlled junctions, making
pedestrians walk around them whilst they wait for the next green phase.


Chris

John Rowland wrote:
The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.

About time too. I can only recall two occasions on my daily cycle
commute when there haven't been cars in the cycle box. The rule about
not enroaching the cycle box has been in the highway code for some
years now but is being blatently ignored. It looks like the only way
to get people to follow the rules is to enforce them. Even the cars
which stop behind their line manage to drift forward to the cycle line
on most occasions

This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber phase.
How? Why are you driving if you can stop at the white line before the
lights. Maybe something they can do to help you would be to have a set
of repeater lights

I
don't see how the police can do this without lengthening the amber phase to
compensate, but even that doesn't really help. I think the only fair
solution is to remove the final stop line - since cyclists have no license
plates, the final stop line no longer serves any purpose

It does - it tells me where to stop my bike. It's purpose is to make
it safe for me to cycle by not letting me cycle through a junction
while there is conflicting traffic

snip

Incidentally, I waited immediately behind the cycle box yesterday for the
green light for turning right from Silvertown Way to George Street, and
after about five minutes the driver behind tapped on my window and informed
me that the sensor only activated if I pulled my car forward onto the green
box!

So I presume you reported the fault?