"Brian Widdas" wrote in message
In article Nick Finnigan wrote:
Ian wrote:
"Nick Finnigan" wrote in message


You are driving (a motor vehicle) at a safe and legal speed, with no
other vehicles moving in your direction for 200 yards, approaching some
(green) traffic lights which have these two stop lines in front of them.
Then the lights change to amber; you move your foot to cover the brake
pedal, and realize that you can not (physically, and so safely) stop
before reaching the first stop line. You can, however, stop safely
before
passing the second stop line. You can also get past the second stop line
before the lights change to red (based on experience).

What legal options do you have? Which is the best one?


Legally you should stop at the second stop line. That is what it says in
TSRGD2002 Section 5 paragraph 43 (b).

What makes it not legal to drive past the second stop line on amber?

TSRGD2002 36(1)(e)

"the amber signal shall, when shown alone, convey the same prohibition as
the red signal, except that, as respects any vehicle which is so close to
the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding beyond
the stop line, it shall convey the same indication as the green signal or
green arrow signal which was shown immediately before it;"

For a car, TSGRD2002 43(2)(b) defines "stop line" as being the first stop
line, or, if you've passed it, the second stop line. So, if you can's stop
safely before the first line, but you can stop safely before the second,
that is what you must do.


That is how I see it too.

Ian

Ian wrote:
"Brian Widdas" wrote in message
In article Nick Finnigan wrote:

[apologies if this response comes through twice]


What makes it not legal to drive past the second stop line on amber?

TSRGD2002 36(1)(e)

"the amber signal shall, when shown alone, convey the same prohibition as
the red signal, except that, as respects any vehicle which is so close to
the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding beyond
the stop line, it shall convey the same indication as the green signal or
green arrow signal which was shown immediately before it;"

For a car, TSGRD2002 43(2)(b) defines "stop line" as being the first stop
line, or, if you've passed it, the second stop line. So, if you can's stop
safely before the first line, but you can stop safely before the second,
that is what you must do.

That is how I see it too.

If you increase your speed before crossing the first line, so that you
are not then able to stop (safely) before crossing the second line, you
will still be able to obey that rule whilst passing both lines on amber.

In article , Nick Finnigan wrote:

For a car, TSGRD2002 43(2)(b) defines "stop line" as being the first stop
line, or, if you've passed it, the second stop line. So, if you can's stop
safely before the first line, but you can stop safely before the second,
that is what you must do.

That is how I see it too.

If you increase your speed before crossing the first line, so that you
are not then able to stop (safely) before crossing the second line, you
will still be able to obey that rule whilst passing both lines on amber.

The same can be said about a traffic light with a single stop line. In
either event, you risk inviting the attention of the local constabulary,
who might fancy a little chat about your driving.

Brian
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In article , Nick Finnigan
writes
"the amber signal shall, when shown alone, convey the same prohibition as
the red signal, except that, as respects any vehicle which is so close to
the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding beyond
the stop line, it shall convey the same indication as the green signal or
green arrow signal which was shown immediately before it;"

If you increase your speed before crossing the first line, so that you
are not then able to stop (safely) before crossing the second line, you
will still be able to obey that rule whilst passing both lines on
amber.

If you increase your speed after the light turns amber, and could have
stopped at either line if you hadn't increased your speed, then you have
broken the prohibition.

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Nick Finnigan
writes

"the amber signal shall, when shown alone, convey the same
prohibition as
the red signal, except that, as respects any vehicle which is so
close to
the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding
beyond
the stop line, it shall convey the same indication as the green
signal or
green arrow signal which was shown immediately before it;"


If you increase your speed before crossing the first line, so that you
are not then able to stop (safely) before crossing the second line,
you will still be able to obey that rule whilst passing both lines on
amber.


If you increase your speed after the light turns amber, and could have
stopped at either line if you hadn't increased your speed, then you have
broken the prohibition.

No you haven't; that is not what the rules say.