http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=776

Douglas Alexander (the new transport secretary) and Ken have announced
that Oyster equipment is to be rolled out to all Greater London National
Rail stations starting this year. TfL will pay for the equipment
(including the readers and the back-office equipment) which will be
installed by the TOCs.

Meanwhile, the DfT will fund a £19m upgrade of TfL's Oyster readers to
accept ITSO-standard smartcards too.

The press release says that PAYG could be available at National Rail
stations during 2008.


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=776


Douglas Alexander (the new transport secretary) and Ken have announced
that Oyster equipment is to be rolled out to all Greater London National
Rail stations starting this year. TfL will pay for the equipment
(including the readers and the back-office equipment) which will be
installed by the TOCs.

Meanwhile, the DfT will fund a £19m upgrade of TfL's Oyster readers to
accept ITSO-standard smartcards too.

The press release says that PAYG could be available at National Rail
stations during 2008.


I wonder if they will give priority to certain lines eg South London.

IAn

Douglas Alexander (the new transport secretary) and Ken have announced
that Oyster equipment is to be rolled out to all Greater London National
Rail stations starting this year. TfL will pay for the equipment
(including the readers and the back-office equipment) which will be
installed by the TOCs.

Meanwhile, the DfT will fund a £19m upgrade of TfL's Oyster readers to
accept ITSO-standard smartcards too.

The press release says that PAYG could be available at National Rail
stations during 2008.


I wonder if they will give priority to certain lines eg South London.

I would imagine stations that already have barriers with Oyster readers in
place, that are currently only used for season ticket validation, would be
first. I wonder if they will let these stations go-live before the
equipment has been installed at the intermediate stations. It will be a
challenge to effectively communicate where pay as you go can be used as the
roll-out continues. Users find it difficult enough to grasp the current
static situation.

TKD wrote:
Douglas Alexander (the new transport secretary) and Ken have announced
that Oyster equipment is to be rolled out to all Greater London National
Rail stations starting this year. TfL will pay for the equipment
(including the readers and the back-office equipment) which will be
installed by the TOCs.

Meanwhile, the DfT will fund a £19m upgrade of TfL's Oyster readers to
accept ITSO-standard smartcards too.

The press release says that PAYG could be available at National Rail
stations during 2008.


I wonder if they will give priority to certain lines eg South London.

I would imagine stations that already have barriers with Oyster readers in
place, that are currently only used for season ticket validation, would be
first. I wonder if they will let these stations go-live before the
equipment has been installed at the intermediate stations. It will be a
challenge to effectively communicate where pay as you go can be used as the
roll-out continues. Users find it difficult enough to grasp the current
static situation.

I imagine that for this reason, rollout will take place in distinct
groups (e.g. SWT, SET, FGWL...).


--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

In message , TKD
writes

I would imagine stations that already have barriers with Oyster readers in
place, that are currently only used for season ticket validation, would be
first. I wonder if they will let these stations go-live before the
equipment has been installed at the intermediate stations.

Its difficult to see how PAYG could work if some stations on the route
don't have readers - it would be a recipe for unresolved journeys.

--
Paul Terry

I would imagine stations that already have barriers with Oyster readers
in
place, that are currently only used for season ticket validation, would
be
first. I wonder if they will let these stations go-live before the
equipment has been installed at the intermediate stations.

Its difficult to see how PAYG could work if some stations on the route
don't have readers - it would be a recipe for unresolved journeys.

It happens now with Liverpool Street - Walthamstow Central/Tottenham
Hale/Seven Sisters. It depends if they want to go for some quick-wins like
Victoria-Balham, Victoria-Bromley South or Victoria/London Bridge-East
Croydon. I find it hard to believe Ken would resist the PR opportunity to
go-live on the gated stations early. The press release says work will start
on them first. Will the technology be installed and then left idle while
the other stations have gates installed?

TKD wrote:
I would imagine stations that already have barriers with Oyster readers
in
place, that are currently only used for season ticket validation, would
be
first. I wonder if they will let these stations go-live before the
equipment has been installed at the intermediate stations.
Its difficult to see how PAYG could work if some stations on the route
don't have readers - it would be a recipe for unresolved journeys.

It happens now with Liverpool Street - Walthamstow Central/Tottenham
Hale/Seven Sisters. It depends if they want to go for some quick-wins like
Victoria-Balham, Victoria-Bromley South or Victoria/London Bridge-East
Croydon. I find it hard to believe Ken would resist the PR opportunity to
go-live on the gated stations early. The press release says work will start
on them first. Will the technology be installed and then left idle while
the other stations have gates installed?

The technology will probably be used, but initially only to issue season
tickets on Oyster - TfL will be providing the appropriate back-office
equipment for station ticket offices.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

If barriers are going to be placed at all N.R. stations, what is going
to happen at stations, like Wandsworth Town, where the ticket office is
on the island platform, on the trainside of any likely barrier
position?

Marc.

In message .com,
" writes

If barriers are going to be placed at all N.R. stations,

I don't think there's any proposal for barriers at all NR stations -
just Oyster validators.

--
Paul Terry

On 10 May 2006 09:41:22 -0700, "
wrote:


If barriers are going to be placed at all N.R. stations, what is going
to happen at stations, like Wandsworth Town, where the ticket office is
on the island platform, on the trainside of any likely barrier
position?

No one has said everywhere is getting gated. Validation equipment is
required and it will be to the same design as used on some NR stations
north of Queens Park or on the DLR.

You still need a local network to provide the necessary info to and from
the devices and to support whatever retailing infrastructure is going to
be provided.

I'm just pleased to see some sort of progress at last. I'm curious to
know what strong arm tactics have been employed to get this deal
through.
--
Paul C


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