"Colin McKenzie" wrote in message
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2) Clapham Junction, north end. This time a new machine which doesn't do
any railcard fares, ticket office closed, no 'permit to travel' machine,
no time to go to the south end. I can't find any fare on the machine
within 30p of what I should pay, so don't buy a ticket. As it turns out,
my destination has no ticket machine of any kind, so free ride. I think
that's reasonable and my conscience is clear.

The new NR ticket machines are an absolute disgrace, the user interface is
terrible and slow. The old push-button ticket machines were much quicker.

In article , Cal Nihoni
writes
([1] The point here is that in the absence of staff at the
destination, the only way to pay is to purchase a ticket from the
machine for the reverse journey,

And indeed that reverse-journey purchase simply serves to skew London
Transport's statistics, since they will think an artificially high number of
people are making the B to A journey when they're not;

Except that LUL tickets aren't sold from A to B, they're sold from A to
any location within a set of zones.

And if (as I snipped) this causes LUL to put more people at B, they'll
start selling excess fares from A making it clear where the real problem
is.

OK I accept that the above is tenuous and taking things to extreme,

It also assumes this is a common situation. I strongly suspect it's way
down in the noise.

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In article , Richard J.
writes
If you were honest, you could have purchased your ticket from the
machine at your destination - but you decide not to do so and
publicly admit your guilt as well. How odd.

Get real. How many people would do that? Just you I think.

The fact that others are thieves doesn't mean he should become one.

[And, yes, I have paid in similar circumstances.]

You mean you have voluntarily donated[1] the price of your journey to LU by
buying a ticket for another journey of the same price?

Actually, no.

Firstly, the actual circumstances were WAGN, not LUL. Secondly, I went
and bought a ticket for the journey I had just completed from the ticket
office.

How very generous of
you.

No, how very honest of me.

To take another example, if you inadvertently overrun by 5 minutes the
paid-for time at a parking meter, do you regard that as the theft of the
extra 20p or whatever? If so, how do you proceed?

I don't. It's an offence to put extra money in the meter. It's not an
offence to overstay a few minutes, but there is an excess charge *if
demanded*. So I'm legal.

Or like most people, do
you just drive away relieved that you've got away with it?

I'm relieved. But it's not the same situation.

I also sometimes overpay the meter compared with the time I'm expecting
to stay, so it balances.

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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:23:42 +0100, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:


You mean you have voluntarily donated[1] the price of your journey to LU by
buying a ticket for another journey of the same price?


Firstly, the actual circumstances were WAGN, not LUL. Secondly, I went
and bought a ticket for the journey I had just completed from the ticket
office.

So, the ticket machine at your destination sold tickets FROM your
departure station TO your destination? How unusual.

K wrote:
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:23:42 +0100, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:


You mean you have voluntarily donated[1] the price of your journey to LU by
buying a ticket for another journey of the same price?


Firstly, the actual circumstances were WAGN, not LUL. Secondly, I went
and bought a ticket for the journey I had just completed from the ticket
office.


So, the ticket machine at your destination sold tickets FROM your
departure station TO your destination? How unusual.

NR stations can sell tickets from any NR station to any other NR
station, even if it is neither. In my experience, anyway. Perhaps YMMV.

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:49:21 +0100, K wrote:

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:23:42 +0100, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote:


Firstly, the actual circumstances were WAGN, not LUL. Secondly, I went
and bought a ticket for the journey I had just completed from the ticket
office.

So, the ticket machine at your destination sold tickets FROM your
departure station TO your destination? How unusual.


Sorry, I just reread your post - I thought you said you'd bout it from
the ticket machine. Apologies.

In article , K
writes
Sorry, I just reread your post - I thought you said you'd bout it from
the ticket machine. Apologies.

No problem.

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:50:20 -0000, Mike Pellatt
wrote:


where I get a voucher that I then have to take to
the ticket office to exchange for the travelcard. How stupid
is all that ?? It reminds me I must write to SWT for the details
of their recovery plan to fix this customer dis-service :-)

Thats what I would have to do if I didn't have a Season Ticket, and my
station is within the area! Mine is an unmanned station with no
ticket machine or permit machine, so you have to buy a ticket form the
conductor on the train. Sometimes they have a few card travelcardsbut
mostly they only give you a paper ticket which needs to be exchanged
for a card.

I don't know what happens if you get off the train at an unmanned
stion and need to get a bus or tube though, as these are not accepted.