CJG writes
If you were honest, you could have purchased your ticket from the
machine at your destination - but you decide not to do so and publicly
admit your guilt as well. How odd.

And L.U. could have provided enough resources at Harrow to be able to
sell tickets to everyone who needed one.

So if you had a trolley full of shopping at your local supermarket, but
not every single checkout was in operation - would you leave without
paying whilst taking all the goods and claim it was the supermarket's
fault? Or would that be considered theft?

*If* there was absolutely no opportunity for you to purchase a ticket at
your destination, then (and only then) would I say you had a point. If
you had an opportunity to purchase a ticket at your destination, but
chose not to do so simply because there wasn't someone there to *make*
you buy one - that makes you a thief.

--
Dave

In message , Dave
writes
So if you had a trolley full of shopping at your local supermarket, but
not every single checkout was in operation - would you leave without
paying whilst taking all the goods and claim it was the supermarket's
fault? Or would that be considered theft?

*If* there was absolutely no opportunity for you to purchase a ticket
at your destination, then (and only then) would I say you had a point.
If you had an opportunity to purchase a ticket at your destination, but
chose not to do so simply because there wasn't someone there to *make*
you buy one - that makes you a thief.

As I stated. Someone in a London Underground uniform announced to the
queue for the ticket office that if anyone wanted to pay at the
destination that they could and then opened the manual gate and let
quite a few people (including me) through.
Not all the ticket machines had queues as the two main ones were out of
order. Not all the ticket offices had queues as only one of them was
actually staffed.
If there had been massive queues for ticket machines and all ticket
offices then sure I would have waited.
The point I was making is that they couldn't handle the number of people
at the single ticket window open because the machines were not working
and they didn't have the other ticket window open. Because of this they
had to let people travel without tickets on the basis they would pay at
their destination. I can assure you without doubt that I wouldn't be the
only one who didn't pay. And Im sure others claimed to have started
their journey in a different Zone to Zone 5 (which Harrow is in)
--
CJG

CJG writes
In message , Dave
writes
So if you had a trolley full of shopping at your local supermarket,
but not every single checkout was in operation - would you leave
without paying whilst taking all the goods and claim it was the
supermarket's fault? Or would that be considered theft?

*If* there was absolutely no opportunity for you to purchase a ticket
at your destination, then (and only then) would I say you had a point.
you had an opportunity to purchase a ticket at your destination, but
chose not to do so simply because there wasn't someone there to *make*
you buy one - that makes you a thief.

As I stated.

Yes you did. Repeating it doesn't change the facts.

The staff gave you a break by letting you travel without buying a ticket
beforehand. You abused their trust by choosing not to purchase a ticket
at the destination.

Just pointing out that other people may be as dishonest as you does not
negate your actions. No-one forced you not to buy a ticket at your
destination - that was your choice. You *chose* to be a thief.

--
Dave

In message , Dave
writes
The staff gave you a break by letting you travel without buying a
ticket beforehand. You abused their trust by choosing not to purchase
a ticket at the destination.

Stop trying to sound like they were doing me a favour!
Just how long would you wait in a restaurant for the waiter to come with
your bill before you walked out? 2 hours? 3 hours?
--
CJG

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:32:08 +0100, CJG
wrote:

In message , Dave
writes
The staff gave you a break by letting you travel without buying a
ticket beforehand. You abused their trust by choosing not to purchase
a ticket at the destination.

Stop trying to sound like they were doing me a favour!
Just how long would you wait in a restaurant for the waiter to come with
your bill before you walked out? 2 hours? 3 hours?

Not an accurate comparison.

In a restaurant you consume the product _before_ you pay.

In a supermarket you consume the product _after_ you pay.

A more reasonable question would be.

How long would you wait in a checkout queue before wheeling the
trolley out without paying?

Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

CJG writes
The staff gave you a break by letting you travel without buying a
ticket beforehand. You abused their trust by choosing not to purchase
ticket at the destination.

Stop trying to sound like they were doing me a favour!

They let you travel with pre-purchasing a ticket.

Just how long would you wait in a restaurant for the waiter to come
with your bill before you walked out? 2 hours? 3 hours?

Get up and find a member of staff, or you could tot-it up yourself and
leave the appropriate mount of money.

Stop trying to justify yourself - it's quite simple you can't. You made
a choice to be a thief, however you try to gloss it over.

I just find it bizarre that having done that, you choose to boast about
it in a public forum. Very odd.

--
Dave

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:17:09 +0100 CJG wrote:
} In message , Dave
} writes
} So if you had a trolley full of shopping at your local supermarket, but
} not every single checkout was in operation - would you leave without
} paying whilst taking all the goods and claim it was the supermarket's
} fault? Or would that be considered theft?
}
} *If* there was absolutely no opportunity for you to purchase a ticket
} at your destination, then (and only then) would I say you had a point.
} If you had an opportunity to purchase a ticket at your destination, but
} chose not to do so simply because there wasn't someone there to *make*
} you buy one - that makes you a thief.
}
} As I stated. Someone in a London Underground uniform announced to the
} queue for the ticket office that if anyone wanted to pay at the
} destination that they could and then opened the manual gate and let
} quite a few people (including me) through.

I would suggests that the option being offered was to pay at the
destination or wait to pay there. Not to pay at the destination or not
pay at all.

Matthew
--
Il est important d'être un homme ou une femme en colère; le jour où nous
quitte la colère, ou le désir, c'est cuit. - Barbara

http://www.calmeilles.co.uk/

"CJG" wrote in message
...

As I stated. Someone in a London Underground uniform announced to the
queue for the ticket office that if anyone wanted to pay at the
destination that they could and then opened the manual gate and let
quite a few people (including me) through.
Not all the ticket machines had queues as the two main ones were out of
order. Not all the ticket offices had queues as only one of them was
actually staffed.
If there had been massive queues for ticket machines and all ticket
offices then sure I would have waited.
The point I was making is that they couldn't handle the number of people
at the single ticket window open because the machines were not working
and they didn't have the other ticket window open. Because of this they
had to let people travel without tickets on the basis they would pay at
their destination. I can assure you without doubt that I wouldn't be the
only one who didn't pay. And Im sure others claimed to have started
their journey in a different Zone to Zone 5 (which Harrow is in)

Passed to the appropriate revenue inspectors manager.