Email just received from TfL:

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Dear Mr Band,

From Sunday 28 May 2006 a number of changes need to be made to walking
routes and interchanges between the Tube, King's Cross and St. Pancras
mainline stations, to assist the redevelopment of King's Cross St.
Pancras Underground station.

The existing access to the Metropolitan, Circle, Hammersmith & City
lines will close.

Access to the Underground from St. Pancras and King's Cross platforms
9, 10 and 11 will be via the new ticket hall entrance located on
Pancras Road. You will need to walk southbound down the right hand side
of Pancras Road into the Underground.

The temporary ticket office on King's Cross station forecourt will
close and the new ticket office in the Underground will open.

A new entrance to the Underground on the forecourt of King's Cross will
open and the entrance by the Great Northern Hotel will close.

Please look out for directional signs to help you while these changes
are implemented.

Yours sincerely,

Peter Tollington

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Presumably the current SSL platform access will re-open once they've
tarted it up a bit and improved the interchange with the current Tube
ticket hall?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

John B wrote:

Email just received from TfL:

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Dear Mr Band,

From Sunday 28 May 2006 a number of changes need to be made to walking
routes and interchanges between the Tube, King's Cross and St. Pancras
mainline stations, to assist the redevelopment of King's Cross St.
Pancras Underground station.

The existing access to the Metropolitan, Circle, Hammersmith & City
lines will close.

Access to the Underground from St. Pancras and King's Cross platforms
9, 10 and 11 will be via the new ticket hall entrance located on
Pancras Road. You will need to walk southbound down the right hand side
of Pancras Road into the Underground.

The temporary ticket office on King's Cross station forecourt will
close and the new ticket office in the Underground will open.

A new entrance to the Underground on the forecourt of King's Cross will
open and the entrance by the Great Northern Hotel will close.

Please look out for directional signs to help you while these changes
are implemented.

Yours sincerely,

Peter Tollington

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Presumably the current SSL platform access will re-open once they've
tarted it up a bit and improved the interchange with the current Tube
ticket hall?


No, the new "Western" ticket hall, referred to by Peter Tollington, the line
manager for the Circle line, will replace the existing access. Eventually
there will be an interchange passage between the "tube" and "subsurface"
platforms without the need to pass through the ticket gates, one of the
last, achievable, recommendations of the Cullen report following the Kings
Cross fire.

Robin Mayes wrote:
John B wrote:

Presumably the current SSL platform access will re-open once
they've tarted it up a bit and improved the interchange with the
current Tube ticket hall?

No, the new "Western" ticket hall, referred to by Peter Tollington,
the line manager for the Circle line, will replace the existing
access.

So interchange from deep tube to sub-surface will mean a longer walk
than the original (pre-redevelopment) route?

Eventually there will be an interchange passage between the
"tube" and "subsurface" platforms without the need to pass through
the ticket gates, one of the last, achievable, recommendations of
the Cullen report following the Kings Cross fire.

Do you have a date for this "eventual" change? Is it part of the
current project or a "nice-to-have" feature for the indefinite future?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:

Eventually there will be an interchange passage between the
"tube" and "subsurface" platforms without the need to pass through
the ticket gates, one of the last, achievable, recommendations of
the Cullen report following the Kings Cross fire.

Do you have a date for this "eventual" change? Is it part of the
current project or a "nice-to-have" feature for the indefinite future?

Firstly, nobody spotted the deliberate mistake, it's the Fennell report.
Secondly, no date, as the works can only be started once the new ticket hall
opens, but it's a part of the current project. However, the Northern ticket
hall...

So interchange from deep tube to sub-surface will mean a longer walk
than the original (pre-redevelopment) route?

It's temporary while the present stairs / underpass are refurbished and
brought within the ticketing area.


Do you have a date for this "eventual" change? Is it part of the
current project or a "nice-to-have" feature for the indefinite future?

No dates have been published but yes, it *is* part of the current
project. My guess is that we should see it in service is about six
months.

jb wrote:
So interchange from deep tube to sub-surface will mean a longer
walk than the original (pre-redevelopment) route?

It's temporary while the present stairs / underpass are refurbished
and brought within the ticketing area.


Do you have a date for this "eventual" change? Is it part of the
current project or a "nice-to-have" feature for the indefinite
future?

No dates have been published but yes, it *is* part of the current
project. My guess is that we should see it in service is about six
months.

Thanks. I see that Metronet have now issued a press release about the
completion of the Western Ticket Hall and the enlargement of the old
tube ticket hall, in which they say:

"Once the ticket hall opens on Sunday morning, May 28, it will enable
the remaining Phase 1 works to progress to completion. This will include
the refurbishment of the Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith & City
line platforms and the creation of a direct link between these platforms
and the deep Tubes of the Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria lines,
thereby implementing the remaining recommendation from the Fennell
report into the King's Cross St Pancras fire."

TfL have also issued a press release on the subject, at the end of which
it says:

"The work to deliver the Western Ticket Hall and renewed Tube Ticket
Hall has been completed by Metronet to a high standard.
TfL looks forward to more work of this standard being delivered by
Metronet, across all maintenance and renewal projects.?"

Yes, that extra question mark at the end is in the text at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=791

It looks like they issued the draft, complete with a question mark that
perhaps means "Should we be saying this? Should we add 'instead of the
crap that they usually deliver'?" :-)


--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:
the ticket hall opens on Sunday morning, May 28

Finally! About time too.

So interchange from deep tube to sub-surface will mean a longer walk
than the original (pre-redevelopment) route?

It's temporary while the present stairs / underpass are refurbished and
brought within the ticketing area.


Do you have a date for this "eventual" change? Is it part of the
current project or a "nice-to-have" feature for the indefinite future?

No dates have been published but yes, it *is* part of the current
project. My guess is that we should see it in service is about six
months.

In article , Richard J.
writes
Eventually there will be an interchange passage between the
"tube" and "subsurface" platforms without the need to pass through
the ticket gates, one of the last, achievable, recommendations of
the Cullen report following the Kings Cross fire.

Do you have a date for this "eventual" change? Is it part of the
current project or a "nice-to-have" feature for the indefinite future?

It's part of the existing project - from memory, the "Khyber Pass", the
existing subway under Euston Road, and the existing steps down to the
subsurface lines will become the new "train-side" walking route.

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On 24 May 2006 02:42:55 -0700, "John B" wrote:

Email just received from TfL:

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Dear Mr Band,

From Sunday 28 May 2006 a number of changes need to be made to walking
routes and interchanges between the Tube, King's Cross and St. Pancras
mainline stations, to assist the redevelopment of King's Cross St.
Pancras Underground station.

Suggest you send it back with a request for an understandabkle
version, with plan!

--
Peter Lawrence