Richard J. wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message
thoss wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 Tony Polson wrote:

Michael Bell wrote:

They can only overtake each other if there is space, which there
often isn't, especially in London, and even if there is space
they sometimes don't, sometimes out of mental laziness, and
sometimes, I am sure, out of wish to avoid work. Let the other
man carry the load!. Though I have sometimes seen examples of
very good working, a pair of busses overtaking each other to
take alternate stops.


Pity the poor passengers who wanted to get off at the stops
"their" bus didn't stop at.

Pity the poor passenger who has to walk twice as far because his
bus stop has been abolished by the coming of the tram.

Why would that happen?

Because it's in the WLT plan. Tram stops will be further apart
than the current bus stops on the route (207) that the tram will
replace.

Further to the above, these are the figures on numbers and separation of
stops over the 20 km route from Shepherds Bush to Uxbridge:

Current bus routes (207, 427): 74 stops Average separation 270 m
Current express bus route (607): 20 stops Average separation: 1 km

Proposed tram scheme: 40 stops Average separation: 500 m
(varies from 200 m to 1 km)

(Source: TfL Board paper, 29 Apr 2004)
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Terry Harper wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:57:10 +0100, Michael Bell
wrote:

In message
Terry Harper wrote:
But can you run the same number of trams per hour as you can buses per
hour? I suspect not. Remember that buses can overtake each other.
Trams cannot.
They can only overtake each other if there is space, which there often
isn't, especially in London, and even if there is space they sometimes
don't, sometimes out of mental laziness, and sometimes, I am sure, out
of wish to avoid work. Let the other man carry the load!. Though I
have sometimes seen examples of very good working, a pair of busses
overtaking each other to take alternate stops.

Oxford Street is full of buses overtaking each other at stops. Not all
on the same route, of course.

Oxford Street being a model of an efficient bus service...


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Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:56:50 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

In message
thoss wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 Graeme Wall wrote:

Pity the poor passenger who has to walk twice as far because his bus
stop has been abolished by the coming of the tram.

Why would that happen?

I wish I knew. But that's in the tram plans.

One assumes they've done some research, oh hang on a mo' this is Britain, no
they probably haven't.

They will have done vast amounts of research. The questions are
whether or not they have been told to research the right things, and
if they then use the right methods.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 Arthur Figgis wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:56:50 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

In message
thoss wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 Graeme Wall wrote:

Pity the poor passenger who has to walk twice as far because his bus
stop has been abolished by the coming of the tram.

Why would that happen?

I wish I knew. But that's in the tram plans.

One assumes they've done some research, oh hang on a mo' this is Britain, no
they probably haven't.

They will have done vast amounts of research. The questions are
whether or not they have been told to research the right things, and
if they then use the right methods.

and pay any heed to the findings.
--
Thoss

David M typed


thoss wrote in uk.railway
about: West London Tram to go ahead

Pity the poor passenger who has to walk twice as far because his bus
stop has been abolished by the coming of the tram.

This doesn't strike me as a Bad Thing.

It does not appeal to me.
I have limited mobility.
Many of the older people on buses seem to *very* old and none too mobile.
An imposed walk of another 500 metres might encourage those on shopping
trips to use their cars.

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:35:34 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

David M typed

thoss wrote in uk.railway
about: West London Tram to go ahead

Pity the poor passenger who has to walk twice as far because his bus
stop has been abolished by the coming of the tram.

This doesn't strike me as a Bad Thing.

It does not appeal to me.
I have limited mobility.
Many of the older people on buses seem to *very* old and none too mobile.
An imposed walk of another 500 metres might encourage those on shopping
trips to use their cars.

I would rather have hail and ride than stops a long distance apart.
500 yards is much too far apart. 200 yards is more like it. Outside
your gate is even better
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Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org

On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:35:34 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

Pity the poor passenger who has to walk twice as far because his bus
stop has been abolished by the coming of the tram.

This doesn't strike me as a Bad Thing.

It does not appeal to me.
I have limited mobility.
Many of the older people on buses seem to *very* old and none too mobile.
An imposed walk of another 500 metres might encourage those on shopping
trips to use their cars.

I'm prepared to be corrected on this, but I don't think anyone will
have to walk anywhere near as much as 500 metres extra. AIUI the vast
majority won't have to walk more than about 200m further (although
that's still not a great thing of course), while many won't have to
walk any further at all (the most-used stops will tend to stay in the
same places).

In slight mitigation, the vehicles themselves will be more easily
accessible than buses.

In article , asdf
writes
What is actually the limiting factor in how many buses you can run on
a route?

* How many buses you can spare.
* How many drivers you can spare.
* How quickly they can follow each other through bottlenecks.

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In article , Terry Harper
writes
But can you run the same number of trams per hour as you can buses per
hour? I suspect not.

But you probably don't need to - you can run them in multiple instead,
but in any case they carry far more passengers.

Remember that buses can overtake each other.

But it isn't necessarily a benefit to do so.

Trams cannot.

Depends whether the facility is provided.

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Michael Bell wrote:

The planners have made great efforts to give their
new route interchange with surface and underground rail.

Except where the route crosses the North London Line.