Roland Perry wrote:

In message .com, at
04:21:56 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Sam Holloway
remarked:
I thought exiting at Cambridge would be "abandoning" the journey which
is allowed at any station en-route. IIRC a BOJ would be if you left,
came back, and continued the journey

A house in Cambridge. Knock at door, circa 10pm
"Excuse me, sir, but it seems that you have abandoned your journey.
Please come with us, so we can put you on a train to Ely."

Airlines have attempted to surcharge people who buy a cheaper ticket
than only use part of it (they regard it as fraud). And they are usually
quite fierce about cancelling the whole ticket if you fail to turn up at
the origin [eg failing to do London-Paris on a London-Paris-New York
ticket.]

The only workaround appears to be to actually fly to the real origin on a
separate ticket. It is still much cheaper to do so for some airlines,
though.

--
Stewart Brodie

In message gemini.j0g0ne000bswf01uc.stewart.brodie@ntlworld. com, at
14:33:28 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Stewart Brodie
remarked:
Airlines have attempted to surcharge people who buy a cheaper ticket
than only use part of it (they regard it as fraud). And they are usually
quite fierce about cancelling the whole ticket if you fail to turn up at
the origin [eg failing to do London-Paris on a London-Paris-New York
ticket.]

The only workaround appears to be to actually fly to the real origin on a
separate ticket. It is still much cheaper to do so for some airlines,
though.

Maybe we'll see people catching a train to Ely, just to come back on an
offpeak travelcard to London, then return as far as Cambridge in the
evening peak?
--
Roland Perry

I read in a St Albans paper that you can get an unrestricted day return
to Elstree and Borehamwood, and then a zone 6 travelcard from there.
Works out much cheaper than buying a full priced Travelcard from St
Albans. Dont know if anyone can confirm this

Rob


Paul Oter wrote:
New ticket restrictions have been announced with effect from next
Monday to services which depart from King's Cross to Cambridge in the
evening peak. This was expected but this is the first time I've seen a
definitive announcement.

According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", from
that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day
Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no
longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate]
between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. In addition to this Network
AwayBreaks and Saver tickets are not valid on services which depart
from these services between 1730 and 1830 Monday to Friday."

These restrictions apply to passengers returning from a variety of
inner London stations to stations between Potters Bar to Waterbeach
inclusive. The leaflet explicitly states that passengers returning to
Ely and points north thereof are not affected.

Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the
Thameslink route to Bedford.

PaulO

Roland Perry
Airlines have attempted to surcharge people who buy a cheaper ticket
than only use part of it (they regard it as fraud). [...]

The key word being 'attempted'. I know people who made 'open jaw'
journeys like that on routes which don't offer sane one-way prices,
but don't know of any successful surcharge. It would be a bit stupid
to penalise one's customers for buying more than they use, as the
seat can be sold again last-minute if there's still demand.

On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:26:25 GMT, Sarah Brown
wrote:

In article . com,
Neil Williams wrote:

That said, all this could lead to an interesting fares anomaly, in that
an off-peak travelcard and a peak single back, or a SDR and an off-peak
travelcard bought separately, may now be cheaper than the available
through ticket.

OK, how does one go about getting one of those Oyster things?

Oyster cards have a very limited applicability to the issue under
discussion. There is a limited amount of Pre-Pay acceptance on the FCC
lines across zone 1 for Thameslink and Moorgate / KX - Finsbury Park for
the Cambridge / Peterborough lines. The only other ticket in Oyster
format would be a Travelcard based season which is not affected by the
new restrictions.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

"John B" wrote in message
oups.com...

It seems a bit of a draconian restriction set for a surburban operator
- the FGW rule where cheap tickets can only be used on slow trains
(effectively also the case on the WCML with the Virgin/Silverlink
split) is more reasonable.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

I see the BBC have a story about it -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5052494.stm

As usual, it starts with the word 'commuter', which in the BBC seems to be
synonymous with 'passenger' or 'traveller'. The TOC would no doubt argue
that CDRs are not intended for regular commuter use.

Paul

DERWENT New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to
Cambridge
Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:04:28 +0100, Roland Perry

In message .com, at
14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter
remarked:
According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006",

The new timetable starts then.

from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day
Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no
longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate]
between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday.



Is this only for out-boundary Travel Cards or can you really not use
travel card for journeys suchas Moorgate - Finsbury Park?

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message .com, at
14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter
remarked:
According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006",

The new timetable starts then.

from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day
Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no
longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate]
between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday.

Are Network Card discounted tickets still OK?

Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the
Thameslink route to Bedford.

MML still accept off-peak Travelcards in the evening rush, so this may
shift even more of the Luton/Bedford crowd off Thameslink and onto MML.

According to the FCC leaflet - and the article on tonight's Evening
Standard, the restrictions apply also on MML (and GNER).

PaulO

PRAR wrote:
DERWENT New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to
Cambridge
Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:04:28 +0100, Roland Perry

In message .com, at
14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter
remarked:
According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006",

The new timetable starts then.

from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day
Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no
longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate]
between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday.



Is this only for out-boundary Travel Cards or can you really not use
travel card for journeys suchas Moorgate - Finsbury Park?


Journeys entirely within the travelcard area are not affected, it
says...

PaulO

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message .com, at
14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter
remarked:
According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006",

The new timetable starts then.

from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day
Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no
longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate]
between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday.

Are Network Card discounted tickets still OK?

Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the
Thameslink route to Bedford.

MML still accept off-peak Travelcards in the evening rush, so this may
shift even more of the Luton/Bedford crowd off Thameslink and onto MML.

The leaflet is at
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...DL_Leaflet.pdf

I can't see how they can make the restrictions stick in the case of trains
which call at stations like Alexandria Palace or Mill Hill Broadway. CDRs
are val;id for break of journey, and ODTCs are valid for multiple journeys.
Journeys from Central London to these stations (or others in Zone C on the
leaflet) are unrestricted in the evening peak, as aqre journeys from Zone C
northwards - all you have to do is to break your journey at a Zone C
station. Does it count as break of journey if you resume your journey on the
same train? Alter4natively you could of course split tickets at a Zone C
station, though your train both ways would have to call at the station where
you split your ticket.

Peter