"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
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peter wrote:
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message
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In article .com, Neil
Williams writes
Hardly. The OP is travelling with an Oyster card, using it as
instructed. The correct fare is by definition the one that is charged,
so long as he/she has touched in and out as required.
I believe the term is Estoppell - the system has collected a fare for
the journey and given the impression that it's correct. Once this
happens, they cannot then claim a greater amount from the OP.

[Warning: vague memories ahead] The original version of estoppel was a
rent case. For some years the landlord of a property accepted a lower
rent from the tenant than was actually due, signing the rent book each
week or banking the cheque or whatever. At a later date he then tried to
claim the difference back. Lord Denning said that he was unable to
because he'd left the tenant with the impression that the rent had been
paid and accepted.

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For the last couple of years, we in this group have been discussing the
anomalies in the oyster system and how to get it to charge the "correct"
fare. However this thread has turned the conventional wisdom on its head.
So if u touch in and touch out, it is up to the system to charge the
correct fare, so there can be no "oyster fare evasion". Take for example
me, arriving at Heathrow for the 2012 Olympics (along with a million
others). I haven't read this group, and know nothing of the zones, or of
the complication of transferring to the DLR. I get an oyster card and put
£60 on the card. All I know is, that I have to touch in and touch out
regardless of the erratic journey I may make (not intentional, but lost).
As I speak English (sort of) I will be less lost than the non English
speakers!. So I hope that all this is sorted and simplified by 2012
cheers
Peter
Sydney (you could do what we did in 2000-- run the system at peak
rate 24 hours a day and free travel, saved a lot of confusion!)

Part of our Olympic bid was that all Olympic ticket holders will receive
an Oyster card entitling them to free travel on the day(s) of their
events.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Glad to see you are continuing with that good idea .
cheers
Peter
Sydney

peter wrote:
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
peter wrote:
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message
...
In article .com, Neil
Williams writes
Hardly. The OP is travelling with an Oyster card, using it as
instructed. The correct fare is by definition the one that is charged,
so long as he/she has touched in and out as required.
I believe the term is Estoppell - the system has collected a fare for
the journey and given the impression that it's correct. Once this
happens, they cannot then claim a greater amount from the OP.

[Warning: vague memories ahead] The original version of estoppel was a
rent case. For some years the landlord of a property accepted a lower
rent from the tenant than was actually due, signing the rent book each
week or banking the cheque or whatever. At a later date he then tried to
claim the difference back. Lord Denning said that he was unable to
because he'd left the tenant with the impression that the rent had been
paid and accepted.

--
Clive D.W. Feather | Home:
Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org
Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work:
Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is:
For the last couple of years, we in this group have been discussing the
anomalies in the oyster system and how to get it to charge the "correct"
fare. However this thread has turned the conventional wisdom on its head.
So if u touch in and touch out, it is up to the system to charge the
correct fare, so there can be no "oyster fare evasion". Take for example
me, arriving at Heathrow for the 2012 Olympics (along with a million
others). I haven't read this group, and know nothing of the zones, or of
the complication of transferring to the DLR. I get an oyster card and put
£60 on the card. All I know is, that I have to touch in and touch out
regardless of the erratic journey I may make (not intentional, but lost).
As I speak English (sort of) I will be less lost than the non English
speakers!. So I hope that all this is sorted and simplified by 2012
cheers
Peter
Sydney (you could do what we did in 2000-- run the system at peak
rate 24 hours a day and free travel, saved a lot of confusion!)
Part of our Olympic bid was that all Olympic ticket holders will receive
an Oyster card entitling them to free travel on the day(s) of their
events.

Glad to see you are continuing with that good idea .
cheers
Peter
Sydney

I think it's quite a common thing these days for big events - they are
doing the same in Germany for the World Cup.

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Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London