With Oyster there is this new scenario that hasn't as far as I can see
occured before in transport ticketing - to have a valid ticket fore the
whole journey a passenger must perform the correct action at the end of
that journey i.e. touching out. ...

I believe there are some commuter type bus opperations somewhere (US, I
think), where in the evening peak, everyone boards at the start, and
pays their fare as they alight, so that the huge queue to pay on
boarding is avoided (because you all board together, but alight along a
spread out route).

Not only commuter. I don't know if it still is, but it used to be the
rule in Seattle on the ordinary city transit buses that on an outward
trip from the city center you paid on exit. Payment on exit has also
been used on the Rockaways line of the New York subway, and on some
parts of the Boston transit system. In Toronto, some TTC trips outside
the city use it. These last three cases have all been done as a way of
implementing fare zones without requiring people to produce a ticket
both on entry and on exit.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto,
"Have you ever heard [my honesty] questioned?"
"I never even heard it mentioned." -- Every Day's a Holiday

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On 29 Jun 2006 00:57:50 -0700, "John B" wrote:

Alan OBrien wrote:
There are posters on the Underground which say that people should always
swipe in and out so as to get the best fare.
If by 'best' they mean cheapest they are wrong.
Surely if you have the chance you should either not swipe in or swipe out,
or both.

Remember "best" can also mean "morally best"/"rightest", as well as
"most advantageous to yourself".

I think the posters actually say something along the lines of "TOUCH
in and out on every Tube/DLR journey to ensure you always pay the
CORRECT fare".

Nicholas

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In message , Mark Brader
writes
With Oyster there is this new scenario that hasn't as far as I can see
occured before in transport ticketing - to have a valid ticket fore the
whole journey a passenger must perform the correct action at the end of
that journey i.e. touching out. ...

I believe there are some commuter type bus opperations somewhere (US, I
think), where in the evening peak, everyone boards at the start, and
pays their fare as they alight, so that the huge queue to pay on
boarding is avoided (because you all board together, but alight along a
spread out route).

Not only commuter. I don't know if it still is, but it used to be the
rule in Seattle on the ordinary city transit buses that on an outward
trip from the city center you paid on exit. Payment on exit has also
been used on the Rockaways line of the New York subway, and on some
parts of the Boston transit system. In Toronto, some TTC trips outside
the city use it. These last three cases have all been done as a way of
implementing fare zones without requiring people to produce a ticket
both on entry and on exit.

I *think* there's an interurban or suburban tramway somewhere in the US
that does the exact opposite of this, ie you pay at exit on inward
journeys and at entry on outward. This was done in order to
concentrate the majority of revenue on one point which was (presumably)
a large and well-equipped City Centre terminal station.

It might have been in Philadelphia, but I could be wrong.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Ian Jelf wrote:

I *think* there's an interurban or suburban tramway somewhere in the US
that does the exact opposite of this, ie you pay at exit on inward
journeys and at entry on outward. This was done in order to
concentrate the majority of revenue on one point which was (presumably)
a large and well-equipped City Centre terminal station.

If it's a flat-fare system, which a lot of the US ones are, that makes
a bit of sense as it would mean that (assuming losses from people
fare-dodging for journeys not including the city centre were not
significant) you'd only need to maintain one set of barriers and
equipment.

Paying on exit does, however, have the disadvantage that you must get
at least a small proportion of people who only realise they don't have
appropriate means of payment after the debt has been incurred by
completion of the journey, rather than noticing when you pay beforehand
and therefore being able to address the issue before it's too late.

Neil

"Ian Jelf" wrote in message

journeys and at entry on outward. This was done in order to
concentrate the majority of revenue on one point which was (presumably)
a large and well-equipped City Centre terminal station.

So that any mugger who boards the train/bus would mug the passengers
rather than the driver (who wouldn't yet have taken the money) ?!
Neat.

Richard [in SG19]



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"Neil Williams" wrote

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Paying on exit does, however, have the disadvantage that you must
get
at least a small proportion of people who only realise they don't
have
appropriate means of payment after the debt has been incurred by
completion of the journey, rather than noticing when you pay
beforehand
and therefore being able to address the issue before it's too late.

Which led to the famous song arising from the time when the Boston
MTA raised the subway fare from 10 cents to 15 cents some time in the
1940s (the song was revived in the 1960s) The MTA wasn't immediately
able to modify the turnstiles, so during the interim you had to pay
10 cents to get into the system, and another 5 cents to get out.

The song told of Charlie and the MTA

... he put 10 cents in his pocket, kissed his wife and family, and
went ride on the MTA

Did he ever return, no he never returned, and his fate is still
unlearned
He will ride for ever 'neath the streets of Boston, Charlie on the
MTA

Jeremy Parker