"Paul Ebbens" wrote in message
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"Mark B" wrote in message
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Paul G wrote:

I thought TOC's were free to call themselves what they like - without
having to seek approval from Ken...

Do wonder if he'd rather have the trains painted in London Rail
Brown/Orange with roundels... First Neon City or London Turd?*

*which would probably spread to all trains serving the capital, like all
buses operating services classed as London must be red...


I thought Thameslink was around before branding? or did the King's Cross
TL station only appear after franchising?

Nope, the route was branded 'Thameslink', including all the same stations as
they are today, by NSE from opening in May 1987.

Rich Mackin wrote:
"Paul Ebbens" wrote in message
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"Mark B" wrote in message
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Paul G wrote:

I thought TOC's were free to call themselves what they like - without
having to seek approval from Ken...

Do wonder if he'd rather have the trains painted in London Rail
Brown/Orange with roundels... First Neon City or London Turd?*

*which would probably spread to all trains serving the capital, like all
buses operating services classed as London must be red...


I thought Thameslink was around before branding? or did the King's Cross
TL station only appear after franchising?

Nope, the route was branded 'Thameslink', including all the same stations as
they are today, by NSE from opening in May 1987.



Very sensitive about the name of the Franchise are First. People
leaving FGW to go work there commonly refer to it as "Going to work for
Barclaycard" (name sounds like a credit card). One person overheard
saying this was taken aside and "advised".
More power to Kens elbow I say.

In message , at 23:44:48 on
Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Rich Mackin
remarked:
Nope, the route was branded 'Thameslink', including all the same stations as
they are today, by NSE from opening in May 1987.

Although City Thameslink was originally called St Pauls Thameslink
(renamed in '91).
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 23:44:48 on
Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Rich Mackin
remarked:
Nope, the route was branded 'Thameslink', including all the same stations
as
they are today, by NSE from opening in May 1987.

Although City Thameslink was originally called St Pauls Thameslink
(renamed in '91).

and didn't exist at all when Thameslink opened, as it originally used the
old route over Ludgate Hill, with no station between Blackfriars and
Farringdon.

Peter

On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:40:25 +0100 someone who may be Mark B
wrote this:-

I thought TOC's were free to call themselves what they like

Try taking up a franchise for a McDonald's "restaurant" and see how
far you get calling it what you like.

It is true though that government is a **** poor franchisor and has
failed to be as sensible in this respect.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Mark B wrote:

Do wonder if he'd rather have the trains painted in London Rail
Brown/Orange with roundels... First Neon City or London Turd?*

I'd think LUL red, blue and white to be more likely.

Neil

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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Although City Thameslink was originally called St Pauls Thameslink
(renamed in '91).

Wasn't it called Holborn Viaduct, or was that elsewhere?

Ian

In message , at 13:36:52 on Tue, 4 Jul
2006, Ian F. remarked:
Although City Thameslink was originally called St Pauls Thameslink
(renamed in '91).

Wasn't it called Holborn Viaduct, or was that elsewhere?

Holborn Viaduct was an "overground" terminus station a little to the
north of the current KX Thameslink. Trains travelled to it from
Blackfriars using a bridge over Ludgate Hill (which also had a station
on the line at one time).

Between Ludgate Hill and Holborn Viaduct there used to be a line which
dived down and into Snow Hill tunnel, just before the throat of Holborn
Viaduct.

There has been much redevelopment in the area, including the railway
line going "underground" much earlier (as it emerges from Blackfriars)
and the construction of City Thameslink, whose northern exit is pretty
much where Holborn Viaduct used to be.

City Thameslink was opened after the Thameslink line was re-opened, and
was briefly called St Pauls Thameslink (an obvious landmark from the
main southern exit). It's quite likely that the name was changed to
avoid confusion with the somewhat distant St Pauls tube station.
--
Roland Perry

Very sensitive about the name of the Franchise are First.

I don't know why so, the lack of a distinguished brand and plastering
of "National Express" all over their bus & rail operations, along with
the same for Stagecoach's rail operations & certain bus operations
(MagicBus/MegaBus/et al.) hasn't really harmed the companies' share
prices, has it?

"Roland Perry" wrote

There has been much redevelopment in the area, including the railway
line going "underground" much earlier (as it emerges from Blackfriars)
and the construction of City Thameslink, whose northern exit is pretty
much where Holborn Viaduct used to be.

I haven't been there for some time, but when St Pauls/City Thameslink
opened, the northern exit went through the concourse of the former Holborn
Viaduct station.

Peter