I've noticed this message being announced a lot in the last couple of
months or so whenever a train is stationary for more than a couple of
minutes (both on South Eastern and SWT). I know it's good that they
have instructed drivers to communicate with passengers, but surely this
doesn't actually tell anyone anything? The real question is why the
signal is red despite the train being on time (e.g. late train on other
branch, etc.).

Still, as the average train traveller probably barely knows signals
exist, judging by the generally unaware behaviour of many of my fellow
passengers*, maybe this is providing useful information after all...

Patrick

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train is
going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING CROSS",
plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING CROSS",
followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this train going
to Charing Cross?".

wrote:
I've noticed this message being announced a lot in the last couple of
months or so whenever a train is stationary for more than a couple of
minutes (both on South Eastern and SWT). I know it's good that they
have instructed drivers to communicate with passengers, but surely this
doesn't actually tell anyone anything? The real question is why the
signal is red despite the train being on time (e.g. late train on other
branch, etc.).

Still, as the average train traveller probably barely knows signals
exist, judging by the generally unaware behaviour of many of my fellow
passengers*, maybe this is providing useful information after all...

Patrick

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train is
going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING CROSS",
plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING CROSS",
followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this train going
to Charing Cross?".


More important than why the signal is red; what is the chance of the
cause being removed in the near future?

But all the information systems are based on where trains are, not on
where they are likely to go. Like when a broken down train at a place
deemed to be three minutes away continues to be shown as expected in
three minutes.

wrote:
I've noticed this message being announced a lot in the last couple of
months or so whenever a train is stationary for more than a couple of
minutes (both on South Eastern and SWT). I know it's good that they
have instructed drivers to communicate with passengers, but surely this
doesn't actually tell anyone anything? The real question is why the
signal is red despite the train being on time (e.g. late train on other
branch, etc.).

Still, as the average train traveller probably barely knows signals
exist, judging by the generally unaware behaviour of many of my fellow
passengers*, maybe this is providing useful information after all...

Patrick

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train is
going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING CROSS",
plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING CROSS",
followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this train going
to Charing Cross?".

I does seem a very obvious statement. This train is held at red signal,
and I thought that the driver had stopped to admire the view, why else
would it be stopped.

Kevin

wrote:
I've noticed this message being announced a lot in the last couple of
months or so whenever a train is stationary for more than a couple of
minutes (both on South Eastern and SWT). I know it's good that they
have instructed drivers to communicate with passengers, but surely this
doesn't actually tell anyone anything? The real question is why the
signal is red despite the train being on time (e.g. late train on other
branch, etc.).

Still, as the average train traveller probably barely knows signals
exist, judging by the generally unaware behaviour of many of my fellow
passengers*, maybe this is providing useful information after all...

True. I regularly travel along the Cotswold line (Oxford - Worcester)
which has many single-track sections, but most passengers have no idea
that these exist, and are left wondering why the train has been stopped
for ten minutes in the middle of nowhere. Of course, they shouldn't be
expected to know that there are single track sections - but the train
manager should know that they don't know, and should make an
announcement to explain the delay!

Patrick

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train is
going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING CROSS",
plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING CROSS",
followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this train going
to Charing Cross?".

Probably a symptom of the number of announcements that a passenger hears
on an average journey - there are so many that the mind blocks them out
as a matter of habit!

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote in message
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I regularly travel along the Cotswold line (Oxford - Worcester)
which has many single-track sections, but most passengers have no idea
that these exist, and are left wondering why the train has been
stopped for ten minutes in the middle of nowhere. Of course, they
shouldn't be expected to know that there are single track sections -
but the train manager should know that they don't know, and should
make an announcement to explain the delay!

If only trains could leapfrog over each other on a single-track line, as in
the Heath Robinson cartoon! ;-)

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train
is going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING
CROSS", plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING
CROSS", followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this
train going to Charing Cross?".

Probably a symptom of the number of announcements that a passenger
hears on an average journey - there are so many that the mind blocks
them out as a matter of habit!

And many announcements these days are either unintelligible (quiet or
distorted) or else mumbled in a strong foreign accent.

On 25 Jul 2006 01:22:10 -0700, wrote:

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train is
going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING CROSS",
plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING CROSS",
followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this train going
to Charing Cross?".

Maybe he was from Glasgow, and confused?

The train I've just been on was being announced as going to Victoria.
Being a regular, I knew it was vastly more likely to be a London
Bridge train with that stock, at that time and in that place.

The automated announcements are all to often either irrelevent, so I
tune them out and miss any with real information in them, or just
plain wrong ("the next station is X" repeated at every station). The
human announcements have tortured phrasing and/or an accent I don't
personally understand once it has been through the PA system.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

wrote:
I've noticed this message being announced a lot in the last couple of
months or so whenever a train is stationary for more than a couple of
minutes (both on South Eastern and SWT). I know it's good that they
have instructed drivers to communicate with passengers, but surely this
doesn't actually tell anyone anything? The real question is why the
signal is red despite the train being on time (e.g. late train on other
branch, etc.).

With all the news stories about SPADs, I can see how, when the drivers
don't have any further info, that saying "I'm not moving cos there is a
red light" probably does make passengers moan a bit less, since it
implies the driver adding "and you wouldn't want me to drive through one
of those, would you?"

(I'm serious - it probably does have a positive psychological effect
that people feel they at least have some understanding of why they train
isn't moving.)

In message .com,
writes

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train is
going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING CROSS",
plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING CROSS",
followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this train going
to Charing Cross?".


You get this at Moorgate. A sign comes up saying the train on Platform 9
is for Letchworth. Then one of the staff clearly announces the train on
platform 9 is for Letchworth, several times in a loud clear voice.
Yet nearly every night someone will come up to me and ask if the train
is for Letchworth ??? No wonder people who deal with the public all day
go a bit weird :-)


--
Edward Cowling London UK

Edward Cowling London UK ) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train is
going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING CROSS",
plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING CROSS",
followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this train going
to Charing Cross?".

You get this at Moorgate. A sign comes up saying the train on Platform 9
is for Letchworth. Then one of the staff clearly announces the train on
platform 9 is for Letchworth, several times in a loud clear voice.
Yet nearly every night someone will come up to me and ask if the train
is for Letchworth ???

"No, mate, you've got the wrong train - this one's going to Letchworth"

Watching people try to figure out why the fast Met line train they're on
hasn't stopped at the station they wanted is usually good for a laugh, too.
Particularly where it's a couple, of whom one's been saying "No, I don't
think this one's stopping there" whilst the other's insistent it will...

Edward Cowling London UK wrote:
In message .com,
writes

* My personal favourite being loud platform announcement "This train is
going to CHARING CROSS", combined with in-train sign "CHARING CROSS",
plus in-train announcement "This train is going to CHARING CROSS",
followed by passenger asking of fellow passengers, "Is this train going
to Charing Cross?".


You get this at Moorgate. A sign comes up saying the train on Platform 9
is for Letchworth. Then one of the staff clearly announces the train on
platform 9 is for Letchworth, several times in a loud clear voice.
Yet nearly every night someone will come up to me and ask if the train
is for Letchworth ??? No wonder people who deal with the public all day
go a bit weird :-)


The passenger may be deaf, and needs to lip-read. In-train signs have
a nasty habit of being either broken or incorrect, as I have found to
my irritation on the Piccadilly Line - get on train in central London
advertising Heathrow as destination (both on the header and the
platform display), to find it merrily goes up the Uxbridge branch
*WITHOUT* announcements of a change of destination, or anything special
being said at Acton Town. The first time this happened to me, I
chalked it up to me being dozy, but the second time, having been
sensitised to the situation, I was Not Happy when Ealing Common hove
into view.

Trains on the Hounslow loop have similar problems, and as for
destination indicators on buses, there have been times in the past when
it would be more accurate to toss a coin than rely on the destination
indicator to tell you if the bus will terminate short on a route (as
50% are timetabled to do on one route I use).

People on the conveyance in question will frequently have a better idea
of the reality of the situation, so asking is a good idea, and not as
silly as it first appears. If I recall correctly, at one time Charing
Cross to Hastings trains actually all carried on to Ore, but you had to
'know' this, as it was not mentioned on announcements. Similarly, at
times if disruption, the train displays and auto-annoncmenets may say
the train is going to Charing Cross, but actually it is being diverted
to Cannon Street - and Digital Doris + the in-train displays are not
flexible enough to give out this information.

Things have improved radically from unintelligble sounds coming from PA
systems that are too soft or so loud they are emitting square waves, in
accents varying wildly from RP, and I applaud the improvement in
available information. However, I would not say the situation as
present is unimprovable.

Sid