Richard J. wrote:
THC wrote:

On the other hand, it seems that by calling the new H&C line station
"Wood Lane", TfL/LU are missing a trick.

Exactly, especially as the main (only?) reason for building the new
station is to serve the new White City shopping centre. The owners of
the centre will probably lobby LU to name the station White City.

.... so the Wood Lane name is just a blackmail tactic by LU, and will be
changed to White City as soon as the owners of the centre fork out.

John Rowland wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
THC wrote:
On the other hand, it seems that by calling the new H&C line station
"Wood Lane", TfL/LU are missing a trick.
Exactly, especially as the main (only?) reason for building the new
station is to serve the new White City shopping centre. The owners of
the centre will probably lobby LU to name the station White City.

.... so the Wood Lane name is just a blackmail tactic by LU, and will be
changed to White City as soon as the owners of the centre fork out.

Aren't they already paying for the station to be built?


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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 03:27:53 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

... so the Wood Lane name is just a blackmail tactic by LU, and will be
changed to White City as soon as the owners of the centre fork out.

Will the SC be called White City though? The marketing types are
probably pouring over this and pondering such names as "retail
solutions London W12"!

The new station could also serve the 5000 or so BBC employees which
considering the car parks' sizes could exceed the numbers going by
tube to the new SC.

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On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:57:07 +0100, Colum Mylod
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 03:27:53 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

... so the Wood Lane name is just a blackmail tactic by LU, and will be
changed to White City as soon as the owners of the centre fork out.

Will the SC be called White City though? The marketing types are
probably pouring over this and pondering such names as "retail
solutions London W12"!

I don't know that the shopping centre is named yet (not publicly
anyway). Everything that Westfield and previously Multiplex churn out
just seems to call it "the White City Project". I think you are right
and a funky name will emerge in due course. Don't think it can involve
W12 though as the shopping centre on the South side of Shepherd's Bush
Green is called the W12 Centre isn't it?

The new station could also serve the 5000 or so BBC employees which
considering the car parks' sizes could exceed the numbers going by
tube to the new SC.

Exactly. The station will serve a lot more than just the shopping
centre. If you look at the shopping centre plans on the LBH&F planning
website, whilst the "Wood Lane" station is next to the bigger of the
planned bus stations, it's really at the "back door" of the shopping
centre. The grand front entrance is over the other side where the
Shepherds Bush Central Line station is today (which is scheduled to
get an almost totally new surface building as far as I can tell, just
the escalators being kept), and the National Rail station will soon be
opening. If they were going to petition for a station to be named
after the shopping centre I'm sure it would be the current Shepherd's
Bush Central Line one they'd rename. It's the one that's on the direct
line from Oxford St after all.

I think people are reading far too much into this 2010 map. I don't
think anything new on there like station names can be taken as a
definite. They're just "placeholders" based on information available
today.

Peter Frimberley wrote:
On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:57:07 +0100, Colum Mylod
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 03:27:53 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote:

... so the Wood Lane name is just a blackmail tactic by LU, and will be
changed to White City as soon as the owners of the centre fork out.
Will the SC be called White City though? The marketing types are
probably pouring over this and pondering such names as "retail
solutions London W12"!

I don't know that the shopping centre is named yet (not publicly
anyway). Everything that Westfield and previously Multiplex churn out
just seems to call it "the White City Project". I think you are right
and a funky name will emerge in due course. Don't think it can involve
W12 though as the shopping centre on the South side of Shepherd's Bush
Green is called the W12 Centre isn't it?

Yes. For the new centre, "whitecity" has been around fairly
consistently. Recently, Westfield have taken an interest in branding
their shopping centres, so it may end up being "Westfield whitecity",
but I doubt the White City part will be lost - Brent Cross is still
Brent Cross, after all.

The new station could also serve the 5000 or so BBC employees which
considering the car parks' sizes could exceed the numbers going by
tube to the new SC.

Exactly. The station will serve a lot more than just the shopping
centre. If you look at the shopping centre plans on the LBH&F planning
website, whilst the "Wood Lane" station is next to the bigger of the
planned bus stations, it's really at the "back door" of the shopping
centre. The grand front entrance is over the other side where the
Shepherds Bush Central Line station is today (which is scheduled to
get an almost totally new surface building as far as I can tell, just
the escalators being kept), and the National Rail station will soon be
opening. If they were going to petition for a station to be named
after the shopping centre I'm sure it would be the current Shepherd's
Bush Central Line one they'd rename. It's the one that's on the direct
line from Oxford St after all.

The shopping centre is large enough to make fairly good use of two
transport hubs - it should be quite possible to shop your way from
Shepherd's Bush Central to Wood Lane!

Renaming the current Shepherd's Bush (Central) station would pose a lot
of problems - it's much busier than any of the other stations, has a
clear identity given its location by the heart of Shepherd's Bush at the
green and, depending on the name given, might require a renaming of
White City as well. I really don't see it happening.

I think people are reading far too much into this 2010 map. I don't
think anything new on there like station names can be taken as a
definite. They're just "placeholders" based on information available
today.

Perhaps - but a rename of Shepherd's Bush H&C has been on the cards for
a while because it's a long way from the Central line station. The name
of the new H&C station is also up for grabs; whoever created the map
must have asked someone (or been told) about these stations...

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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:11:46 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Renaming the current Shepherd's Bush (Central) station would pose a lot
of problems - it's much busier than any of the other stations, has a
clear identity given its location by the heart of Shepherd's Bush at the
green and, depending on the name given, might require a renaming of
White City as well. I really don't see it happening.

At least one Central Line station has a line diagram showing the name
as Shepherd's Bush Green...

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James Farrar wrote:
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:11:46 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote:


Renaming the current Shepherd's Bush (Central) station would pose a lot
of problems - it's much busier than any of the other stations, has a
clear identity given its location by the heart of Shepherd's Bush at the
green and, depending on the name given, might require a renaming of
White City as well. I really don't see it happening.

At least one Central Line station has a line diagram showing the name
as Shepherd's Bush Green...

Chancery Lane...? (I know that does.)

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Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

In message , Dave Arquati
writes

The shopping centre is large enough to make fairly good use of two
transport hubs - it should be quite possible to shop your way from
Shepherd's Bush Central to Wood Lane!

Renaming the current Shepherd's Bush (Central) station would pose a lot
of problems - it's much busier than any of the other stations, has a
clear identity given its location by the heart of Shepherd's Bush at
the green and, depending on the name given, might require a renaming
of White City as well. I really don't see it happening.

How about Shepherd's Bush Central then?

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Dave Arquati wrote:
Peter Frimberley wrote:

I think people are reading far too much into this 2010 map. I don't
think anything new on there like station names can be taken as a
definite. They're just "placeholders" based on information
available today.

Perhaps - but a rename of Shepherd's Bush H&C has been on the cards
for a while because it's a long way from the Central line station. The
name of the new H&C station is also up for grabs; whoever created
the map must have asked someone (or been told) about these stations...

TfL have issued a press release* today (15 Sep 2006) announcing the
start of construction work on the new H&C station. Although it doesn't
explicitly say that new station will be called White City, it implies
that by saying "the station is being built as part of the new White City
retail and leisure development", and "the construction of world-class
Tube stations at White City for the Hammersmith & City line ...".

The press release mentions White City 10 times but there is no mention
of "Wood Lane".

I'm not sure what will be "world-class" about the H&C station, but that
must surely imply escalators and lifts to platform level and a decent
covered interchange to White City Central Line.

*
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=896

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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:50:44 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

I'm not sure what will be "world-class" about the H&C station, but that
must surely imply escalators and lifts to platform level and a decent
covered interchange to White City Central Line.

Well a whole raft of plans have been on LB H&F's Planning website for
a year or so (http://tinyurl.com/jsl8r). They only show stairs and two
lifts to each platform, and it's a standalone structure, i.e. no links
covered or other to the Central Line station or the adjoining new bus
station, besides the pavement along the existing street. So I don't
think their idea of "World Class" aligns with yours.

Possible that the plans have changed but that ought to have prompted
them to appear on the LB H&F website.

The plans do show "public conveniences" under the tracks though. How
long they will be open to the public remains to be seen!