I seem to remember that you go through gates when you exit the Jubilee
Line at Stratford. Does that mean that if you continue on the Central
Line that this is a new fare on Oyster and can you go from Stratford to
Liverpool St on the mainline using Oyster.
ie will North Greenwich to Liverpool St via Stratford be one or two
journies or should I go via London Bridge and Bank.

Kevin

On 14 Sep 2006 05:53:53 -0700, "Kev" wrote:

I seem to remember that you go through gates when you exit the Jubilee
Line at Stratford. Does that mean that if you continue on the Central
Line that this is a new fare on Oyster and can you go from Stratford to
Liverpool St on the mainline using Oyster.
ie will North Greenwich to Liverpool St via Stratford be one or two
journies or should I go via London Bridge and Bank.

The jubilee line gate is set for interchange therefore it does not set a
new journey if you are already "in" the system as per your example.

Yes you can use the main line between Stratford and Liverpool St.

I see no reason why the journey you describe should not work as one full
journey with the Z13 Oyster fare being deducted on exit at Liverpool St.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 14 Sep 2006 05:53:53 -0700, "Kev" wrote:

I seem to remember that you go through gates when you exit the Jubilee
Line at Stratford. Does that mean that if you continue on the Central
Line that this is a new fare on Oyster and can you go from Stratford to
Liverpool St on the mainline using Oyster.
ie will North Greenwich to Liverpool St via Stratford be one or two
journies or should I go via London Bridge and Bank.

The jubilee line gate is set for interchange therefore it does not set a
new journey if you are already "in" the system as per your example.

Yes you can use the main line between Stratford and Liverpool St.

I see no reason why the journey you describe should not work as one full
journey with the Z13 Oyster fare being deducted on exit at Liverpool St.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

That's ok then, I didn't want to get charged twice and I hate the
interchange at Bank.

Kevin

Paul Corfield wrote:

The jubilee line gate is set for interchange therefore it does not set a
new journey if you are already "in" the system as per your example.

What if you're travelling into Stratford on a mainline ticket and change to
the Jubilee? Or going the other way?

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 14 Sep 2006 05:53:53 -0700, "Kev" wrote:

I seem to remember that you go through gates when you exit the Jubilee
Line at Stratford. Does that mean that if you continue on the Central
Line that this is a new fare on Oyster and can you go from Stratford to
Liverpool St on the mainline using Oyster.
ie will North Greenwich to Liverpool St via Stratford be one or two
journies or should I go via London Bridge and Bank.

The jubilee line gate is set for interchange therefore it does not set a
new journey if you are already "in" the system as per your example.

Yes you can use the main line between Stratford and Liverpool St.

I see no reason why the journey you describe should not work as one full
journey with the Z13 Oyster fare being deducted on exit at Liverpool St.

It's also worth noting that there are Oyster validators on the Central
Line platforms at Stratford (or at least there were last time I went
through), so you might want to touch in there as well, just to be on the
safe side.

Cheers,

Barry

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:31:49 +0100, Barry Salter
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote:
On 14 Sep 2006 05:53:53 -0700, "Kev" wrote:

I seem to remember that you go through gates when you exit the Jubilee
Line at Stratford. Does that mean that if you continue on the Central
Line that this is a new fare on Oyster and can you go from Stratford to
Liverpool St on the mainline using Oyster.
ie will North Greenwich to Liverpool St via Stratford be one or two
journies or should I go via London Bridge and Bank.

The jubilee line gate is set for interchange therefore it does not set a
new journey if you are already "in" the system as per your example.

Yes you can use the main line between Stratford and Liverpool St.

I see no reason why the journey you describe should not work as one full
journey with the Z13 Oyster fare being deducted on exit at Liverpool St.

It's also worth noting that there are Oyster validators on the Central
Line platforms at Stratford (or at least there were last time I went
through), so you might want to touch in there as well, just to be on the
safe side.

But they might (and I don't know for certain) set the journey as exited
which would cause an interesting conundrum at Liverpool St. This is
because they usually do the opposite to the last entry or exit
transaction. The OP would have entered at NOG and "interchanged" not
exited at the JLE gates. Now it is possible that the validators are NR
platform specific at Stratford so Liv St bound are always entry and
those to Ilford etc are always exit. However that is not my
understanding of how Oyster validators work.

sigh

If only there was an official explanation. I shall have to see if I can
elicit one.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:31:49 +0100, Barry Salter wrote:

It's also worth noting that there are Oyster validators on the Central
Line platforms at Stratford (or at least there were last time I went
through), so you might want to touch in there as well, just to be on the
safe side.

It's my understanding that (when using PAYG) you generally only ever
need to touch twice on each journey - once when you start your PAYG
journey and once when you finish it.

The exception to this is when using an out-of-station interchange at
some point during your journey, such as at King's Cross or
Hammersmith, in which case you'll also need to touch when leaving and
re-entering the Compulsory Ticket Area, making four touches in total
(or 6 if you make two OOSIs during a journey, etc).

Also, London Bridge (Thameslink) and Wimbledon may be special
exceptions.

I'd better add a disclaimer that this contradicts some TfL advice,
which advises you to make extra touches at stations like Bank and
Farringdon (not to mention the fact that most standalone validators
have a sign telling all passing PAYG users to touch there). However,
making these extra touches shouldn't, in theory, result in you being
charged any more for your journey.

Whew, that post (like most Oyster ones) ended up a bit longer than I
expected...

Barry Salter wrote:

It's also worth noting that there are Oyster validators on the Central
Line platforms at Stratford (or at least there were last time I went
through), so you might want to touch in there as well, just to be on the
safe side.

However some mainline services depart from platforms 9 & 10, especially on
Sundays when the fast and stopping services get mixed up.

Also if you're travelling onwards on a paper National Rail fare on either
the North London Line or National Rail then the Jubilee barriers are the
last you've come through. Just how does the system know that you've finished
your Oyster journey?

Paul Corfield wrote:

But they might (and I don't know for certain) set the journey as exited
which would cause an interesting conundrum at Liverpool St. This is
because they usually do the opposite to the last entry or exit
transaction. The OP would have entered at NOG and "interchanged" not
exited at the JLE gates. Now it is possible that the validators are NR
platform specific at Stratford so Liv St bound are always entry and
those to Ilford etc are always exit. However that is not my
understanding of how Oyster validators work.

Also the Ilford bound validators are on the same platform as the eastbound
Central Line - so a passenger could be just as easily continuing onto say
Wanstead as going to Ilford.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:19:18 +0100, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:

Barry Salter wrote:

It's also worth noting that there are Oyster validators on the Central
Line platforms at Stratford (or at least there were last time I went
through), so you might want to touch in there as well, just to be on the
safe side.

However some mainline services depart from platforms 9 & 10, especially on
Sundays when the fast and stopping services get mixed up.

The latest fare leaflet has a subtle alteration to the list of
National Rail services where PAYG is valid. It now lists Stratford -
Tottenham Hale / Seven Sisters. This journey was always technically
possible on PAYG, but not included in the list. Paper LUL tickets are
now also valid on this service.