Mizter T wrote:

There will be single, return and cheap day return (CDR) tickets
available. Many have suggested that a zonal ticketing system will do
away with CDRs and will be pleased to hear they are to stay.

1-6 CDR including Tube gbp9.60. Why set such nonsensical fares? An
ODTC would be substantially cheaper.

Neil

Neil Williams wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

There will be single, return and cheap day return (CDR) tickets
available. Many have suggested that a zonal ticketing system will do
away with CDRs and will be pleased to hear they are to stay.

1-6 CDR including Tube gbp9.60. Why set such nonsensical fares? An
ODTC would be substantially cheaper.

Neil

It's not nonsense - you've just misread it.

The price you've quoted is for an standard day return, *not* a cheap
day return. This would only be issued for travel before 0930 on
weekdays. A zones 1-6 CDR Train/Tube fare is £5.70.

These prices are cheaper than the current Z1-6 peak and off-peak Day
Travelcard fares. I presume (but don't have any information to hand)
that the Day Travelcard prices will increase next year.

Mizter T wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

There will be single, return and cheap day return (CDR) tickets
available. Many have suggested that a zonal ticketing system will do
away with CDRs and will be pleased to hear they are to stay.
1-6 CDR including Tube gbp9.60. Why set such nonsensical fares? An
ODTC would be substantially cheaper.

Neil

It's not nonsense - you've just misread it.

The price you've quoted is for an standard day return, *not* a cheap
day return. This would only be issued for travel before 0930 on
weekdays. A zones 1-6 CDR Train/Tube fare is £5.70.

No, the price he quoted is for a CDR - it's in the "cheap day returns"
column. The price for a peak zone 1-6 train-tube return, in the column
immediately to the left of that one, would be £13.20.

--

Stephen

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Mizter T wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

There will be single, return and cheap day return (CDR) tickets
available. Many have suggested that a zonal ticketing system will do
away with CDRs and will be pleased to hear they are to stay.

1-6 CDR including Tube gbp9.60. Why set such nonsensical fares? An
ODTC would be substantially cheaper.

Neil

It's not nonsense - you've just misread it.

The price you've quoted is for an standard day return, *not* a cheap
day return. This would only be issued for travel before 0930 on
weekdays. A zones 1-6 CDR Train/Tube fare is £5.70.

These prices are cheaper than the current Z1-6 peak and off-peak Day
Travelcard fares. I presume (but don't have any information to hand)
that the Day Travelcard prices will increase next year.


I fully retract my comments above and most humbly apologise to you Neil
- the one who's misreading things is me, and I eat my words above
completely.

As you rightly point out, a Z1-6 Train/Tube CDR will apparently cost
£9.60 - which seems utterly bizarre. An off-peak Day Travelcard will
obviously be cheaper. I can't see the logic of creating such a fare if
it's never going to be issued.

On 19 Oct 2006 09:44:28 -0700, Mizter T wrote:

As you rightly point out, a Z1-6 Train/Tube CDR will apparently cost
£9.60 - which seems utterly bizarre. An off-peak Day Travelcard will
obviously be cheaper. I can't see the logic of creating such a fare if
it's never going to be issued.

Some of the CDRs could, with Railcard/Privilege discounts, be brought
down to below the price of a Travelcard, which has a £4.80 minimum (at
least for Railcards - I don't know much about Priv). So a few might
end up being issued (although this probably still doesn't apply to the
£9.60 ones).

Some of the CDRs could, with Railcard/Privilege discounts, be brought
down to below the price of a Travelcard, which has a £4.80 minimum (at
least for Railcards - I don't know much about Priv). So a few might
end up being issued (although this probably still doesn't apply to the
£9.60 ones)

A Priv Travelcard is only avaliable in Z1-6 and is 75p (IIRC) for Kids,
and £2 for adults.
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:53:09 GMT, S Wright
wrote:

Some of the CDRs could, with Railcard/Privilege discounts, be brought
down to below the price of a Travelcard, which has a £4.80 minimum (at
least for Railcards - I don't know much about Priv). So a few might
end up being issued (although this probably still doesn't apply to the
£9.60 ones)

A Priv Travelcard is only avaliable in Z1-6 and is 75p (IIRC) for Kids,
and £2 for adults.

But that is only for use on LU though. There is not a Priv Travelcard
that works on National Rail but I did once persuade a booking clerk to
issue one (many years ago) ;-)

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Mizter T wrote:

The price you've quoted is for an standard day return, *not* a cheap
day return. This would only be issued for travel before 0930 on
weekdays. A zones 1-6 CDR Train/Tube fare is £5.70.

No, it isn't. A zones 1-6 CDR train *only* fare is 5.70 - they're in
separate tables. I have included the train-tube-train fares below, and
every one of the CDRs are nonsensical because the appropriate ODTC is
cheaper by quite a margin. Peak return 1-6 is gbp11.20 in that table,
which must also be approaching the Peak Day Travelcard fare.

No of Zones Peak single Peak Return Cheap Day Rtn
Adult Child Adult Child Adult Child
1 £4.00 £2.00 £7.60 £3.80 £6.70
£2.00
12 £4.10 £2.00 £7.70 £3.80 £7.00
£2.00
123 £4.70 £2.30 £8.60 £4.30 £7.60
£2.00
1234 £5.10 £2.50 £9.30 £4.60 £8.00
£2.00
12345 £5.80 £2.90 £11.20 £5.60 £8.70
£2.00
123456 £6.80 £3.40 £13.20 £6.60 £9.70
£2.00
2,3,4,5 or 6 £3.00 £1.50 £5.60 £2.80 £5.40
£2.00
23,34,45,56 £3.40 £1.70 £6.30 £3.10 £5.80
£2.00
234,345,456 £3.80 £1.90 £7.00 £3.50 £6.20
£2.00
2345, 3456 £4.20 £2.10 £7.70 £3.80 £6.60
£2.00
23456 £4.60 £2.30 £8.60 £4.30 £7.00
£2.00

Neil

Neil Williams wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

The price you've quoted is for an standard day return, *not* a cheap
day return. This would only be issued for travel before 0930 on
weekdays. A zones 1-6 CDR Train/Tube fare is £5.70.

No, it isn't. A zones 1-6 CDR train *only* fare is 5.70 - they're in
separate tables. I have included the train-tube-train fares below, and
every one of the CDRs are nonsensical because the appropriate ODTC is
cheaper by quite a margin. Peak return 1-6 is gbp11.20 in that table,
which must also be approaching the Peak Day Travelcard fare.


Please see my abject apology elsewhere on this thread!

I completely agree, it appears on first glance (well, in my case second
glance - once I've worked out which table I should be looking at!) to
be totally nonsensical.

Neil Williams wrote:

(snip)

[...] A zones 1-6 CDR train *only* fare is 5.70 - they're in
separate tables. I have included the train-tube-train fares below, and
every one of the CDRs are nonsensical because the appropriate ODTC is
cheaper by quite a margin. Peak return 1-6 is gbp11.20 in that table,
which must also be approaching the Peak Day Travelcard fare.


I take a small crumb of comfort in the fact that it's not just me who
misreads things!

A Train/Tube peak return isn't £11.20 as you state above but instead
costs even more - it's £13.20 !!!

I wonder if the Train/Tube peak return prices quoted aren't in fact the
new Peak Day Travelcard prices for 2007?