Mizter T wrote:

The price you've quoted is for an standard day return, *not* a cheap
day return. This would only be issued for travel before 0930 on
weekdays. A zones 1-6 CDR Train/Tube fare is £5.70.

No, it isn't. A zones 1-6 CDR train *only* fare is 5.70 - they're in
separate tables. I have included the train-tube-train fares below, and
every one of the CDRs are nonsensical because the appropriate ODTC is
cheaper by quite a margin. Peak return 1-6 is gbp11.20 in that table,
which must also be approaching the Peak Day Travelcard fare.

No of Zones Peak single Peak Return Cheap Day Rtn
Adult Child Adult Child Adult Child
1 £4.00 £2.00 £7.60 £3.80 £6.70
£2.00
12 £4.10 £2.00 £7.70 £3.80 £7.00
£2.00
123 £4.70 £2.30 £8.60 £4.30 £7.60
£2.00
1234 £5.10 £2.50 £9.30 £4.60 £8.00
£2.00
12345 £5.80 £2.90 £11.20 £5.60 £8.70
£2.00
123456 £6.80 £3.40 £13.20 £6.60 £9.70
£2.00
2,3,4,5 or 6 £3.00 £1.50 £5.60 £2.80 £5.40
£2.00
23,34,45,56 £3.40 £1.70 £6.30 £3.10 £5.80
£2.00
234,345,456 £3.80 £1.90 £7.00 £3.50 £6.20
£2.00
2345, 3456 £4.20 £2.10 £7.70 £3.80 £6.60
£2.00
23456 £4.60 £2.30 £8.60 £4.30 £7.00
£2.00

Neil

Neil Williams wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

The price you've quoted is for an standard day return, *not* a cheap
day return. This would only be issued for travel before 0930 on
weekdays. A zones 1-6 CDR Train/Tube fare is £5.70.

No, it isn't. A zones 1-6 CDR train *only* fare is 5.70 - they're in
separate tables. I have included the train-tube-train fares below, and
every one of the CDRs are nonsensical because the appropriate ODTC is
cheaper by quite a margin. Peak return 1-6 is gbp11.20 in that table,
which must also be approaching the Peak Day Travelcard fare.


Please see my abject apology elsewhere on this thread!

I completely agree, it appears on first glance (well, in my case second
glance - once I've worked out which table I should be looking at!) to
be totally nonsensical.

Neil Williams wrote:

(snip)

[...] A zones 1-6 CDR train *only* fare is 5.70 - they're in
separate tables. I have included the train-tube-train fares below, and
every one of the CDRs are nonsensical because the appropriate ODTC is
cheaper by quite a margin. Peak return 1-6 is gbp11.20 in that table,
which must also be approaching the Peak Day Travelcard fare.


I take a small crumb of comfort in the fact that it's not just me who
misreads things!

A Train/Tube peak return isn't £11.20 as you state above but instead
costs even more - it's £13.20 !!!

I wonder if the Train/Tube peak return prices quoted aren't in fact the
new Peak Day Travelcard prices for 2007?

Mizter T wrote:

A Train/Tube peak return isn't £11.20 as you state above but instead
costs even more - it's £13.20 !!!

I sit corrected

I wonder if the Train/Tube peak return prices quoted aren't in fact the
new Peak Day Travelcard prices for 2007?

Maybe. I strongly hope, however, that the CDR prices aren't the
planned new ODTC prices, as that's a hefty, and in my mind
inappropriate, increase. Unless, perhaps, the ODTC is to be abandoned
completely in favour of Pre-Pay?

Neil

Neil Williams wrote:

(snip)

I wonder if the Train/Tube peak return prices quoted aren't in fact the
new Peak Day Travelcard prices for 2007?

Maybe. I strongly hope, however, that the CDR prices aren't the
planned new ODTC prices, as that's a hefty, and in my mind
inappropriate, increase. Unless, perhaps, the ODTC is to be abandoned
completely in favour of Pre-Pay?


I'm certain the Train/Tube CDR prices quoted are _not_ the new off-peak
Day Travelcard prices. If they were there'd be a riot. And I'd be
leading it!

The Day Travelcard is not being abandoned in favour of Oyster PAYG
(Pre-Pay). The Travelcard is a legally protected fare - it can't just
vanish like that. I guess that when the whole NR network in London has
got round to accepting Oyster PAYG the in-boundary Day Travelcard might
be phased out - the logic being that capped Oyster PAYG would offer the
same functionality - but such a situation is still a long way off.

As asdf has pointed out elsewhere on this thread, perhaps said fares
exist merely so they can be issued in a discounted manner (with
railcard or staff priv) - nontheless it still seem right. To be honest
I'm not really clued up on priv fares, but as asdf rightly points out
the railcard-discounted Day Travelcard (currently at £4.80 - maybe
it'll cost 10 or 20p more next year) would still be the cheaper option
in almost all cases.

In my mind the mystery of these high Train/Tube fares remains.