"Adrian" wrote in message
David from Oz ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

There was an item on driving offence cameras (e.g. box junction
offences, red light offences, right turn offences, bus lane offences
etc)

Paul from Safe Speed (a regular poster on this group)

Not for years.

was interviewed and argued against such measures stating his
view that that they did not *prevent * such offences, merely *punished*
but did not reduce the number of offices.

He's wrong. They do.

What they DON'T do, though, is do anything whatsoever about those whose
vehicles aren't registered legitimately.

They also fail to truly reflect the gravity of many of those offences. In
many cases, there's no "victim"

Depends on your understanding of 'victim'. I am quite often unable to
proceed due to traffic illegally blocking a box junction, and I welcome an
increase in the chances of them being caught and prosecuted. If I can't
proceed due to their lack of consideration am I not a victim? Obviously not
in terms of being injured but of being inconvenienced.

Ian

Ian ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

They also fail to truly reflect the gravity of many of those
offences. In many cases, there's no "victim"

Depends on your understanding of 'victim'. I am quite often unable to
proceed due to traffic illegally blocking a box junction

There y'go, then - they're not committing a minor administrative box
junction offence (£100, no points), they're DWDC&A, and they should be
prosecuted as such. CD10, 3-9 points plus fine up to £2500.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:35:21 +0100, Ian wrote
(in message ):

I am quite often unable to
proceed due to traffic illegally blocking a box junction, and I welcome an
increase in the chances of them being caught and prosecuted.

Surely it's better (in the long term) to create drivers with more
appreciation for others ? And surely the way to do that is not to instill
ever deeper a feeling that you can do whatever you like as long as you don't
break one of the miriad of rules ?

That's the problem with automated enforcement - it removes personal
responsibility and encourages an attitude of "blindingly following the
rules". Unfortunately, it's impossible to create a set of rules that will
cover every situation unless you make one very simple one "drive with
consideration for others and responsibility for your actions" !

Simon Hobson wrote:
Surely it's better (in the long term) to create drivers with more
appreciation for others ? And surely the way to do that is not to instill
ever deeper a feeling that you can do whatever you like as long as you don't
break one of the miriad of rules ?

That's the problem with automated enforcement - it removes personal
responsibility and encourages an attitude of "blindingly following the
rules". Unfortunately, it's impossible to create a set of rules that will
cover every situation unless you make one very simple one "drive with
consideration for others and responsibility for your actions" !


Lovely idea Simon. That gets my vote every time.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

"Simon Hobson" wrote in message
et...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:35:21 +0100, Ian wrote
(in message ):

I am quite often unable to
proceed due to traffic illegally blocking a box junction, and I welcome
an
increase in the chances of them being caught and prosecuted.

Surely it's better (in the long term) to create drivers with more
appreciation for others ? And surely the way to do that is not to instill
ever deeper a feeling that you can do whatever you like as long as you
don't
break one of the miriad of rules ?

The trouble is that it's a more deep seated attitude than solely in driving.
"Stuff you" is, in varying degrees, a part of human nature.


That's the problem with automated enforcement - it removes personal
responsibility and encourages an attitude of "blindingly following the
rules". Unfortunately, it's impossible to create a set of rules that will
cover every situation unless you make one very simple one "drive with
consideration for others and responsibility for your actions" !

Until all parents start instilling a some consideration for others into
their children there's little hope.