"MIG" wrote in message

nospam wrote:
"David from Oz" wrote:

Since my box junction offence fine (from the North Circular documented
on these groups) I have been extra vigilant to ensure I do not commit
further offences.

How many further offences did you intend to commit before you got fined?
I
mean were you aiming at 4 or 5 a week and now that is down to zero or
something?

Apparently you were driving around with spare vigilance which you are now
applying to avoid minor traffic offences, don't you think that spare
vigilance would be better applied avoiding something of more consequence
like crashing and running over pedestrians?

So yes enforcement and fines will cause persistent offenders to change
their behaviour. Everyone else will carry on making the occasional
mistake
but now they will get ****ed off, poorer, and probably more dangerous as
they devote a disproportionate amount of attention to avoiding offences
of
little consequence.

Is it worth doing? It depends of how many persistent offenders there are
and what problem they cause, I'm very doubtful.

The only sure thing is offences will be committed, and enough revenue
will
be generated to pay for the enforcement and turn a profit.

It would be more effective to not penalise drivers for making an
occasional
mistake, say to notify but not fine them for the first 2 offences in any
12
month period. Persistent offenders would change their behaviour for the
better and the large majority would not have to change their behaviour
for
the worse. Of course it will never happen because such a scheme would
generate far less income and the authorities like to **** off motorists
anyway.



I think it's a completely wrong assumption to treat stopping on a box
junction as a minor offence not related to safety.

Quite agree. It depends on the location of the box junction. One I come
across daily is at the roundabout at the end of the M275 coming into
Portsmouth. Traffic coming from the next junction around the roundabout
blocks the box junction preventing traffic coming down the motorway from
proceeding which leads to stationary traffic on the motorway, especially in
the outside lane.

Ian