Barry Salter wrote in news:ehoiuj$oia$1
:

SNIP
The only times it seems to suggest using Silverlink are if you put a
Silverlink Station in as the origin...And even then it says to change
to
the DLR at Canning Town.


Not surprised. The Silverlink seems to not work well on the Journey
Planner website, I've been complaining about that since it started.

Want a proof? Try typing in

tomorrow 26 October, 13:10

STATION START: CANNING TOWN
STATION END: CAMDEN TOWN


Now, the Silvelink does it in 26 minutes.

But the first option given is a journey involving two two journeys
(Jubilee to London Bridge, London Bridge to Camden Town) and then a bus
journey (Camden Town to Camden Road).
Total: 48 minutes.

It even chooses a route starting at 12:59!

So complete and utter ********.

You and I know that the Silverlink is the best service, yet it decides
that it's the second best.

There is a bias about the Silverlink south of Stratford on the site. It
even gives as an option waiting 18 minutes (why?) for a Jubilee Line,
missing the Silverlink from Canning Town and then getting the later
Silverlink from Stratford.

As you can see, the website is clueless about the Silverlink. If this is
the data they rely on when trying to decide whether or not to close part
of a service, no wonder they decide to close it down. I bet you those
that make the decision don't live in Canning Town and use the line
themselves, but probably in some nice big house somewhere greener.

****'em. I have never ever been approached or asked or polled about my
decisions on that line or any line. I have never seen a poster saying
"we are thinking about removing this section of the line, do you have
any feedback". Just a poster saying the section is being withdrawn and
******** to ya.

I'm bitter about it. Very bitter.

Tristán White wrote:
Barry Salter wrote in news:ehoiuj$oia$1
:

SNIP
The only times it seems to suggest using Silverlink are if you put
a Silverlink Station in as the origin...And even then it says to
change to the DLR at Canning Town.


Not surprised. The Silverlink seems to not work well on the Journey
Planner website, I've been complaining about that since it started.

Want a proof? Try typing in

tomorrow 26 October, 13:10

STATION START: CANNING TOWN
STATION END: CAMDEN TOWN

You meant CAMDEN ROAD

Now, the Silvelink does it in 26 minutes.

But the first option given is a journey involving two two journeys
(Jubilee to London Bridge, London Bridge to Camden Town) and then a
bus journey (Camden Town to Camden Road).
Total: 48 minutes.

It even chooses a route starting at 12:59!

That's because, quite reasonably, it offers several journeys starting
either side of the departure time you specified.

So complete and utter ********.

I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not, but I find it daft that the JP
offers a journey that starts earlier and finishes later than the next
one on its list, which is why that 48-minute journey shouldn't have been
included. But it's a general feature of the JP, not just NLL-related.

You and I know that the Silverlink is the best service, yet it
decides that it's the second best.

Not second best, just the second in a list ordered by departure time.
Whether Silverlink is the best service, leaving aside issues of
reliability, comfort, etc., depends on when you get to Canning Town, as
their trains only run every 30 minutes.

There is a bias about the Silverlink south of Stratford on the
site. It even gives as an option waiting 18 minutes (why?) for a
Jubilee Line, missing the Silverlink from Canning Town and then
getting the later Silverlink from Stratford.

Again, you misunderstand what the JP is offering. It doesn't suggest you
wait 18 minutes. It's telling you that if you are late getting to
Canning Town, and arrive there between 13:19 and 13:28, then
Jubilee+Silverlink is the fastest route, which is true.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

You meant CAMDEN ROAD


I did indeed; well spotted!

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:10:19 GMT, Richard J. wrote:

I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not, but I find it daft that the JP
offers a journey that starts earlier and finishes later than the next
one on its list, which is why that 48-minute journey shouldn't have been
included. But it's a general feature of the JP, not just NLL-related.

I think it's a good thing. The JP can be slightly inaccurate about
timings (particularly as it assumes buses and Tube trains run strictly
according to the Working Timetable, rather than just semi-randomly
arriving about every x minutes), so I prefer it to offer some
alternatives, allowing me to add some human intelligence in choosing
the best and/or most reliable.

There is a bias about the Silverlink south of Stratford on the
site. It even gives as an option waiting 18 minutes (why?) for a
Jubilee Line, missing the Silverlink from Canning Town and then
getting the later Silverlink from Stratford.

I noticed something similar to this a few months ago. I was putting in
journeys like Wembley Central to King's Cross, to compare journey
times between the Bakerloo and Silverlink. I happen to know that
Silverlink to Euston is the fastest way. But the planner always showed
this route to be slower, if it even suggested it at all.

On closer investigation, this was because it was under-estimating the
Bakerloo journey time (one journey had you stepping off a Bakerloo at
Paddington, and 2 minutes later, boarding an eastbound Circle Line
train! - see WTT comment above), and over-estimating the Silverlink
journey time (it counts the "charter minutes" that are added in the
timetable at Euston - which is fair enough, as the JP only has the NR
timetable to go on - but it also adds a full 10 minutes on top for the
interchange at Euston).

No doubt I'll be adding fuel to your conspiracy theory by pointing out
that TfL want to scrap the Silverlink Metro service to Euston. ;-)