"Tristán White" wrote in message
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"brixtonite" wrote in
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Indeed the situation will be just the same as now if you're going into
town. If you're heading to Beckton or King George V, however, it will
become rather less convenient - since the first train could leave from
either the current DLR platform or the current NLL platform, and the
two are rather far apart!


Thanks. I guess the same will happen if you're going from Canning Town to
Stratford - which platform to go to.


No it won't be the same - the junctions are south of Canning Town, so
northbound trains will already have been seperated into Bank and Stratford -
you can only get over the Jubilee line from the high level (existing)
platforms. Think about the situation at Camden Town on the Northern line,
its just the same, with the complex crossings south of the station.

If there was room to the north of the station you could have had the
splitting junctions at either ends of the station, then all 4 platforms
could have a nominated destination.

Paul

Thanks. I guess the same will happen if you're going from Canning Town to
Stratford - which platform to go to.


No it won't be the same - the junctions are south of Canning Town, so
northbound trains will already have been seperated into Bank and Stratford -
you can only get over the Jubilee line from the high level (existing)
platforms. Think about the situation at Camden Town on the Northern line,
its just the same, with the complex crossings south of the station.

I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to
Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But since
the Jubilee line has a high frequency and fewer stops than the DLR will
have there's probably no competition, except late at night etc when
there's a reduced service.


If there was room to the north of the station you could have had the
splitting junctions at either ends of the station, then all 4 platforms
could have a nominated destination.


hmm, that would have been ideal - I guess the A13 means the stratford
branch couldn't reach the current DLR platforms?

Whereas Camden
Town has the perfect solution: a nice board in the middle with the next
train clearly pointed out.

I certainly wouldn't call Camden Town perfect! Relying on electronic
boards (which can be, and often are, faulty) is not as good as an
island platform where you can wait in one place and be sure of getting
the first train. In fact whenever I've been at Camden I find myself
and dozens of others rushing from one platform to the other and then
back again in search of trains taking the right route.

(Although even an island platform as at Earl's court isn't great, since
there are often trains on both sides going the same way, with no sign
as to which will leave first)

"brixtonite" wrote in
ups.com:
I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to
Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But
SNIP

Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-)

"Tristán White" wrote in message
. 109.145...
"brixtonite" wrote in
ups.com:
I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to
Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But
SNIP

Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-)

Well I assumed you meant the 2 DLR platforms. If you bring the JL into the
equation, there are 3 platforms for Stratford!

Paul

Paul Scott wrote:
"PhilD" wrote in message
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solar penguin wrote:
They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for
the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic
Stadium) or whatever it's called this week.


That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a
Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George
V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think).

PhiLD

Both - there will be a complex juntion south of Canning Town allowing
for the 4 possible routes.

Are they planning to run all four routes regularly? If so, it would be
better for passengers if the northbound tracks had their junction south of
the station, and the southbound tracks had their junction north of the
station. But that would require building new DLR platforms at approximately
the same height as the existing DLR platforms... and then the tracks
probably wouldn't fit beneath the road bridge to the north.

Tristán White wrote:
"brixtonite" wrote in
ups.com:
I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR
to Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But
SNIP

Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-)

The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the
existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL
island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for
North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very
wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of
the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly
necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way
without too many problems.

John Rowland wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:
"PhilD" wrote in message
oups.com...
solar penguin wrote:
They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for
the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic
Stadium) or whatever it's called this week.

That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a
Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George
V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think).

PhiLD

Both - there will be a complex juntion south of Canning Town allowing
for the 4 possible routes.

Are they planning to run all four routes regularly? If so, it would be
better for passengers if the northbound tracks had their junction south of
the station, and the southbound tracks had their junction north of the
station. But that would require building new DLR platforms at approximately
the same height as the existing DLR platforms... and then the tracks
probably wouldn't fit beneath the road bridge to the north.

AFAIK the service pattern will see all four routes run at regular
intervals - 5tph Stratford Int'l to Beckton, 5tph Stratford Int'l to
Woolwich Arsenal, 10tph Woolwich Arsenal to Poplar (5tph onwards to
Lewisham via Canary Wharf, 5tph to Bank) and about 8tph Beckton to Tower
Gateway.

My understanding of the Dagenham Dock extension is that there would be
10tph (peak) Dagenham Dock to Stratford Int'l, although I'm not sure if
these would substitute for or be additional to the Beckton to Stratford
Int'l 5tph.

I think a "next train to..." indicator in the ticket hall will be much
cheaper than reconstructing the A13...


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Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

John Rowland wrote:
Tristán White wrote:
"brixtonite" wrote in
ups.com:
I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR
to Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But
SNIP
Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-)

The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the
existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL
island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform for
North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on top of a very
wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road would get in the way of
the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ... but that sliproad is hardly
necessary, because the current eastbound sliproad could be made 2-way
without too many problems.

Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound
sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific.


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Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the
existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL
island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform
for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on
top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road
would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ...
but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound
sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems.

Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound
sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific.

What angles?

John Rowland wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
The ideal solution would be to build new DLR platforms high over the
existing NLL platform, join the current JLE island to the current NLL
island, and reroute the Londonbound JLE via the current NLL platform
for North Woolwich, so you end up with both DLR islands sitting on
top of a very wide JLE island. I think the A13 westbound slip road
would get in the way of the raised DLR track to/from Stratford ...
but that sliproad is hardly necessary, because the current eastbound
sliproad could be made 2-way without too many problems.
Nice layout idea - but I'm unconvinced about making the eastbound
sliproad 2-way. The angles would be horrific.

What angles?

For westbound vehicles trying to get onto the A13... am I missing something?


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Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London