It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the
NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to
Stratford International.

There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given
the loss of DLR service.

More info at

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613457.hcsp
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613456.hcsp
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_613464.pdf

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Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the
NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to
Stratford International.

There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given
the loss of DLR service.

More info at

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613457.hcsp
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613456.hcsp
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_613464.pdf

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Paul C

Admits to working for London Underground!

The DfT must read this group - its only a couple of days ago I posted about
the lack of info about what the decision was!

Paul S

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:30:59 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

The DfT must read this group - its only a couple of days ago I posted about
the lack of info about what the decision was!

We can live in hope but the debate was somewhat prescient wasn't it?
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

In message , Paul Scott
writes

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .
It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the
NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to
Stratford International.

There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given
the loss of DLR service.

More info at


http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group.../page/dft_abou
t_613457.hcsp

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group.../page/dft_abou
t_613456.hcsp

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...nts/page/dft_r
ailways_613464.pdf

--
Paul C

Admits to working for London Underground!

The DfT must read this group - its only a couple of days ago I posted about
the lack of info about what the decision was!
Quite, although they have some partially out of date information as the
last link states witihn in text:
"25. ...that the c2c Capital Club Weekend Ranger ticket between West Ham
and Stratford should continue to be accepted... Such agreement is to be
implemented"
The ticket was withdrawn around the start of this year. Unless they know
something c2c aren't prepared to admit

Reading the above document in full it appears that the DfT weren't in
hand tieing mode, given that they have given the various parties leave
to ignore most of London TravelWatch's recommendations.

--
Paul G
Typing from Barking

Paul Corfield wrote:

There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given
the loss of DLR service.

But not to carry bicycles. A very poor show, especially given that
people in those areas may well rely on them.

Notably, there is also a requirement for a ticket office at London City
Airport - which already exists! (The through ticketing requirement is
an interesting one, though).

Neil

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of
the NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to
Stratford International.

There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR
given the loss of DLR service.

More info at


http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ge/dft_about_6
13457.hcsp

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ge/dft_about_6
13456.hcsp

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group.../page/dft_rail
ways_613464.pdf

Anyone know how the condition to accept Silverlink tickets from
Stratford through to King George V until Oyster is implemented on the
NLL is to be implemented?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
It would seem the Secretary of State has agreed to the closure of the
NLL and also approved the TWA for the DLR conversion / extension to
Stratford International.

There are a few interesting ticketing conditions imposed on DLR given
the loss of DLR service.

More info at

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613457.hcsp
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ut_613456.hcsp
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays_613464.pdf

--
Paul C

Admits to working for London Underground!

The DfT must read this group - its only a couple of days ago I posted
about the lack of info about what the decision was!

Paul S


Will the NLL services continue to use platforms 1 & 2 from December 10th, or
are they moving elsewhere (11?) immediately?

Paul

"Paul Scott" wrote in
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Will the NLL services continue to use platforms 1 & 2 from December
10th, or are they moving elsewhere (11?) immediately?


On a similar note, what is actually going to happen to the existing
platforms at Canning Town and elsewhere? Are they just going to sit there
and rot? Are the public going to allowed up there any more?

Since the plan is for Crossrail to go from Whitechapel via Isle of Dogs and
Custom House for ExCeL to Abbey Wood, is it geographically impossible for
the line to go via (and stop) at Canning Town (which is, after all, with
its City Airport link, becoming a major TFL hub in its own right?)

Geographically it may be impossible.

But imagine the distance it will cut between Canning Town and Whitechapel.
Currently that involves taking the JLE to West Ham and changing for the
District Line.

It would really make it easy to go from Liverpool Street to City Airport
and back - take the Crossrail to Canning Town and change.

:-)

I know, as a Canning Town (nearby) resident, I'm trying to big up the area
and make it even more of an important place - I have a hidden agenda ;-))

But to be honest, if there's a big platform not being used at what has
rapidly become a major interchange station such as Canning Town, and
Crossrail is going from Liverpool Street etc to ExCeL anyway........


:-))

I expect that geographically it's impossible though. Haven't seen the exact
location of the (future) Crossrail route - assuming all goes to plan.

"Tristán White" wrote in message
. 109.145...
"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

Will the NLL services continue to use platforms 1 & 2 from December
10th, or are they moving elsewhere (11?) immediately?


On a similar note, what is actually going to happen to the existing
platforms at Canning Town and elsewhere? Are they just going to sit there
and rot? Are the public going to allowed up there any more?


Er.. you haven't been following why the NLL closure is taking place at all,
have you, even living in Canning Town! I gues you won't have taken part in
the consultation process.....

Canning Town NLL platforms & Straftford platforms 1 &2 become DLR
platforms - that's the whole point of the NLL closures.....

Paul

"Paul Scott" wrote in
:

Er.. you haven't been following why the NLL closure is taking place at
all, have you, even living in Canning Town! I gues you won't have
taken part in the consultation process.....

No, I never knew anything about the closure until it was all agreed. I'd
have loved to have been consulted!

Canning Town NLL platforms & Straftford platforms 1 &2 become DLR
platforms - that's the whole point of the NLL closures.....

Shame. Would have been nice to have lobbied for a Canning Town stop on
Crossrail ;-)

But more to the point, WHY?

The good thing about the DLR where it is at the moment, is if I am going
into town, I stand just at the bottom of the escalators to the DLR where
I can see how long for the next DLR and whether it's going to Tower
Gateway or Bank. Depending on whether one of them, or the JLE, comes
first, I take it. Going from Canning Town to Kings Cross, it's slightly
quicker to take the DLR to Bank and change to the Northern Line, but if
there's a JLE in 1 minute and a Bank train in 7, it's not worth it.

It's quite useful to hover in this limbo with easy access to either
platform. So why move the DLR to the NLL platform at Canning Town?

Not to mention the extra expense that this reburbishment will entail,
and the necessary downtime.

Not to mention the fact that the current DLL platform is completely
accessible whereas the future one on the current NLL platform is not
(yet).

Oh well, they had their consultation and I wasn't asked, so I guess it's
too late now.

If I were asked, I would say:

REASON FOR KEEPING IT AS IT IS:
* easy for customers to stand in a spot and choose the first service
into town
* totally accessible for wheelchairs already
* no need to close for refurbishments
* keeps current NLL platforms available for another use (Crossrail,
lol... or anything the future may bring)

Of course, I wouldn't have closed this part of the NLL in the first
place...

REASON FOR CHANGING IT...
Can't see any at present.


I guess what's done is done.

But who do I lobby for a nice, big, clear, dot-matrix display in the
Canning Town ticket hall giving the details for the next train into
town.

Because LUL and DLR are separate, there's not a lot of talking among
them. They want you to touch your PAYG Oyster in on the platform at Bank
for example, even if you entered the gates somewhere on the system. The
"GOOD SERVICE" boards you see at station entrances don't mention DLR.

So I'm not holding out many hopes for a nice combined DLR/JLE board, as
soon as you go through the ticket barrier, showing which westbound train
- JLE or DLR - is coming first, before needing to go up any escalators
(or stairs).

But maybe could they at the very least have two at this point, one for
DLR one for JLE, with the minutes to the next train? It would be a small
concession, after royally screwing us Newhamites around with what is
surely an unnecessary aesthetic change to a system that worked pretty
damn well.

Expecting the usual torrents of abuse from some UTL know-alls here...
please remember, I'm just a punter not an expert or an employee. And, I
add, a punter who was never consulted on jack diddly.