In message , Tim Roll-Pickering
writes

Exactly where are they expecting these extra passengers to go to? The line
is not exactly full of vacant seats west (at least) of Stratford!

Perhaps to Canary Wharf, changing at Stratford - I know a number of
people who work in Docklands and live in the Fairlop loop area.
--
Paul Terry

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Paul Weaver wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Also, any ideas why Roding Valley was built northeast of Woodford
Junction, rather than immediately to the south of it, thus supplying
twice the number of trains?

Many using Roding valley will live a similar distance to Buckhurst Hill
or Woodford, it's a 15 minute walk from Roding valley to either station,
and the houses follow the rail ribbon.

Right. None of which would be much different if the station was 300 metres
further south, where it could get more trains. Or is the point that there
isn't the need for that many trains, so putting it north of the junction
avoided forcing Epping trains to either stop or get stuck behind stopping
loop trains?

tom

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Don't ask me man, i didn't do it.

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Paul Weaver wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Also, any ideas why Roding Valley was built northeast of
Woodford Junction, rather than immediately to the south of it,
thus supplying twice the number of trains?

Many using Roding valley will live a similar distance to
Buckhurst Hill or Woodford, it's a 15 minute walk from Roding
valley to either station, and the houses follow the rail ribbon.

Right. None of which would be much different if the station was 300
metres further south, where it could get more trains. Or is the
point that there isn't the need for that many trains, so putting it
north of the junction avoided forcing Epping trains to either stop
or get stuck behind stopping loop trains?

When was Roding valley station opened? By LT or in GE days?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Paul Weaver wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Also, any ideas why Roding Valley was built northeast of
Woodford Junction, rather than immediately to the south of it,
thus supplying twice the number of trains?

Many using Roding valley will live a similar distance to
Buckhurst Hill or Woodford, it's a 15 minute walk from Roding
valley to either station, and the houses follow the rail ribbon.

Right. None of which would be much different if the station was 300
metres further south, where it could get more trains. Or is the
point that there isn't the need for that many trains, so putting it
north of the junction avoided forcing Epping trains to either stop
or get stuck behind stopping loop trains?

When was Roding valley station opened?

Woodford opened: 14/12/1947

Line extended to Loughton and Hainault 21/11/1948
(Newbury Park to Hainault opened 31/5/1948)

By LT or in GE days?

No idea.

tim

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In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Paul Weaver wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Also, any ideas why Roding Valley was built northeast of
Woodford Junction, rather than immediately to the south of it,
thus supplying twice the number of trains?

Many using Roding valley will live a similar distance to
Buckhurst Hill or Woodford, it's a 15 minute walk from Roding
valley to either station, and the houses follow the rail ribbon.

Right. None of which would be much different if the station was 300
metres further south, where it could get more trains. Or is the
point that there isn't the need for that many trains, so putting it
north of the junction avoided forcing Epping trains to either stop
or get stuck behind stopping loop trains?

When was Roding valley station opened?

Woodford opened: 14/12/1947

Line extended to Loughton and Hainault 21/11/1948
(Newbury Park to Hainault opened 31/5/1948)

By LT or in GE days?

No idea.

Subject to the customary caveat on the source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roding_Valley_tube_station
"The station itself was opened as Roding Valley Halt by the London & North
Eastern Railway, successors to the GER, on 3 February 1936 ... . The
post-war extension of the Central Line meant that the LNER station closed on
29 November 1947, and Roding Valley re-opened on 21 November 1948 as a
London Underground station."
--
David Biddulph

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In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Paul Weaver wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

Also, any ideas why Roding Valley was built northeast of
Woodford Junction, rather than immediately to the south of it,
thus supplying twice the number of trains?

Many using Roding valley will live a similar distance to
Buckhurst Hill or Woodford, it's a 15 minute walk from Roding
valley to either station, and the houses follow the rail ribbon.

Right. None of which would be much different if the station was 300
metres further south, where it could get more trains. Or is the
point that there isn't the need for that many trains, so putting it
north of the junction avoided forcing Epping trains to either stop
or get stuck behind stopping loop trains?

When was Roding valley station opened?

Woodford opened: 14/12/1947

Line extended to Loughton and Hainault 21/11/1948
(Newbury Park to Hainault opened 31/5/1948)

By LT or in GE days?

No idea.

Subject to the customary caveat on the source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roding_Valley_tube_station
"The station itself was opened as Roding Valley Halt by the London & North
Eastern Railway, successors to the GER, on 3 February 1936 ... . The
post-war extension of the Central Line meant that the LNER station closed
on 29 November 1947, and Roding Valley re-opened on 21 November 1948 as a
London Underground station."

Ah, this little bit of underground history was not known to me.
This explains why so much of this 'new' line was opened so
quickly. It was just converted from an overground railway
that was already there.

tim

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Subject to the customary caveat on the source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roding_Valley_tube_station
"The station itself was opened as Roding Valley Halt by the London &
North Eastern Railway, successors to the GER, on 3 February 1936 ... .
The post-war extension of the Central Line meant that the LNER station
closed on 29 November 1947, and Roding Valley re-opened on 21 November
1948 as a London Underground station."

Ah, this little bit of underground history was not known to me.
This explains why so much of this 'new' line was opened so
quickly. It was just converted from an overground railway
that was already there.


Its also helps explain why there appear to be far more 'underground' lines
north of the river. It suited the mainline railways to have certain commuter
routes transferred to LT as extensions of their routes - many of the current
lines are the result of transfers from the 'mainline' railways...

Paul

In article , notvalidpmscott@btinternet
com (Paul Scott) wrote:

"tim....." wrote in message
...

Ah, this little bit of underground history was not known to me.
This explains why so much of this 'new' line was opened so
quickly. It was just converted from an overground railway
that was already there.

Its also helps explain why there appear to be far more
'underground' lines north of the river. It suited the mainline
railways to have certain commuter routes transferred to LT as
extensions of their routes - many of the current lines are the
result of transfers from the 'mainline' railways...

More the other way round, though. The Southern preferred to electrify its
network between the wars than to transfer it to the Underground, to the
extent that it was willing to build the Wimbledon-Sutton line in the
1920s and 30s rather than have the District extended to Sutton.

The Northern to Mill Hill East and High Barnet and the Central extensions
West of Ealing and East of Liverpool St are the main tube takeovers of
main line railways in the post-grouping era. The Bakerloo to Watford
Junction (to some extent as the main line usage always remained), the
Central to Ealing, the Northern to Edgware and the Piccadilly to
Cockfosters were all earlier new lines.

--
Colin Rosenstiel