see:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays/documents/
page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp
"Before the final decision on funding is made, more work needs to be
done on the project to improve the robustness of the plans and cost
estimates, and to maintain the opportunity of delivering the project to
the planned timetable. Therefore my rt Hon Friend the Secretary of State
for Transport has written to Network Rail today authorising £30m funding
for project planning and design development."

Jim Chisholm

In message , J. Chisholm
writes
see:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays/documents/
page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp
"Before the final decision on funding is made, more work needs to be
done on the project to improve the robustness of the plans and cost
estimates, and to maintain the opportunity of delivering the project to
the planned timetable. Therefore my rt Hon Friend the Secretary of
State for Transport has written to Network Rail today authorising £30m
funding for project planning and design development."

Jim Chisholm
Cannot get to the link , its restricted !
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martyn dawe

martyn dawe wrote:
In message , J. Chisholm
writes
see:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays/documents/
page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp
"Before the final decision on funding is made, more work needs to be
done on the project to improve the robustness of the plans and cost
estimates, and to maintain the opportunity of delivering the project
to the planned timetable. Therefore my rt Hon Friend the Secretary of
State for Transport has written to Network Rail today authorising £30m
funding for project planning and design development."

Jim Chisholm
Cannot get to the link , its restricted !
Join up 'wrapped' URL

Jim

"J. Chisholm" wrote in message
...
martyn dawe wrote:
In message , J. Chisholm
writes
see:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays/documents/
page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp
"Before the final decision on funding is made, more work needs to be
done on the project to improve the robustness of the plans and cost
estimates, and to maintain the opportunity of delivering the project to
the planned timetable. Therefore my rt Hon Friend the Secretary of State
for Transport has written to Network Rail today authorising £30m funding
for project planning and design development."

Jim Chisholm
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Join up 'wrapped' URL

Jim
... or the OP could wrap it with thusly:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_railways/documents/page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp

(well, it sometimes works)

D A Stocks

On Wed, 20 Dec 2006, David A Stocks wrote:

"J. Chisholm" wrote in message
...
martyn dawe wrote:
In message , J. Chisholm
writes

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays/documents/
page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp

Cannot get to the link , its restricted !

Join up 'wrapped' URL

... or the OP could wrap it with thusly:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_railways/documents/page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp

(well, it sometimes works)

Really? Is it not just that you're using a newsreader which doesn't have
uncouth line-breaking behaviour? For instance, how's this:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ys_614009.hcsp

And is this:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_railways/documents/page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp

Really any better?

tom

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Nullius in verba

In message , David A Stocks
writes

"J. Chisholm" wrote in message
...
martyn dawe wrote:
In message , J. Chisholm
writes
see:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ays/documents/
page/dft_railways_614009.hcsp
"Before the final decision on funding is made, more work needs to be
done on the project to improve the robustness of the plans and cost
estimates, and to maintain the opportunity of delivering the project to
the planned timetable. Therefore my rt Hon Friend the Secretary of State
for Transport has written to Network Rail today authorising £30m funding
for project planning and design development."

Jim Chisholm
Cannot get to the link , its restricted !
Join up 'wrapped' URL

Jim
... or the OP could wrap it with thusly:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ents/page/dft_
railways_614009.hcsp

(well, it sometimes works)

D A Stocks


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martyn dawe

So - do we think they're actually trying to move this thing forward, or
are they spending £30 million purely as a further delaying tactic?

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So - do we think they're actually trying to move this thing forward, or
are they spending £30 million purely as a further delaying tactic?

The latter. The 2012 Olympics will sink it. Any guesses what the estimated
cost of that lot will be when the Thameslink financing decision is due -
£10bn? £15bn?

Sixbells wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
So - do we think they're actually trying to move this thing forward, or
are they spending £30 million purely as a further delaying tactic?

The latter. The 2012 Olympics will sink it. Any guesses what the estimated
cost of that lot will be when the Thameslink financing decision is due -
£10bn? £15bn?

Yet the statement says:

"This will enable a more informed decision to be made regarding the case
for funding the implementation of the project in summer 2007. It also
safeguards the opportunity to deliver the first set of outputs of the
Thameslink modernisation scheme by December 2011. This funding is being
granted without prejudice to the final decision on the funding of the
scheme"

I suspect that it is not possible for Treasury to make full announcement
at this time, but that decision has been taken in principle.

So what is "first set of outputs"?

New rolling stock?
Connection of KX lines?
Improved signalling to allow more trains?
Upgraded power supplies?
Improvements at outer suburban stations?

New rolling stock could relieve overcrowding by allowing Capital Connect
to run more 8 car trains (with extra power supplies?)
Connection of KX lines word make proposed KX Works easier by allowing
platforms to be OOU

Jim Chisholm

J. Chisholm wrote:
"This will enable a more informed decision to be made regarding the case
for funding the implementation of the project in summer 2007. It also
safeguards the opportunity to deliver the first set of outputs of the
Thameslink modernisation scheme by December 2011. This funding is being
granted without prejudice to the final decision on the funding of the
scheme"

I suspect that it is not possible for Treasury to make full announcement
at this time, but that decision has been taken in principle.

So what is "first set of outputs"?

New rolling stock?
Connection of KX lines?
Improved signalling to allow more trains?
Upgraded power supplies?
Improvements at outer suburban stations?

ISTR that the first set of outputs is the platform lengthening, with
the second set of outputs being the flyover at Borough and the
rebuilding of London Bridge.

New rolling stock could relieve overcrowding by allowing Capital Connect
to run more 8 car trains (with extra power supplies?)

At some point before very long, SN will be bludgeoned into giving up
their remaining 319s, and FCC will switch some GN services to diesel to
free up electric stock for TL. This should make TL 8-car-able.

Connection of KX lines word make proposed KX Works easier by allowing
platforms to be OOU

No, because there isn't the capacity on the TL lines south of
Blackfriars to run any more trains than at present.

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John Band
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