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![]() Tom Anderson wrote: In London, a paper ticket isn't a normal ticket. Oyster is. Try putting a one day travelcard on an Oyster. Oh hold on , you can't. Sorry , what were you saying? B2003 |
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tim..... wrote:
"Al Holmes" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:18:06 -0000, "tim....." wrote: "Al Holmes" wrote in message ... On 28 Dec 2006 11:49:49 -0800, "Boltar" wrote: Why would you? I don't know any other city metro that penalises people for buying a normal ticket. If you know otherwise then please tell us where. Amsterdam - a single fare paid on the tram costs more than if you buy a 15 or 45 strip strippenkaart. This is true of any town that has strip tickets. But it can't be considered to be a 'normal' ticket because it's not possible to make seven and a half journeys. tim Of course it's a normal ticket But its not a normal single ride ticket. Some places don't do simple single ride tickets, just timed tickets - Poznan has a range starting at 10min validity, 60 or 90min are fairly common. snip -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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I think Oyster really is tourist-friendly. When I'm leaving the
Netherlands I'm not going to get the value left on my strippenkaart back, but a tourist in London can just hand in his Oyster and get his £3 deposit + any value left on it return. Next to that, Oyster cards never expire which the Dutch strippenkaart does. I hope the complete switch isn't far off. What happens if a tourist goes up to the ticket window and asks what might be the best option for him if he's staying here for a week, for example? Are staff instructed to tell them about the advantages of Oyster? Some even more clear signs aimed at tourists at the stations that they usually enter London through (All the terminal stations and Heathrow / LCY basically) might make it a bit more clear. |
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![]() Mizter T wrote: Get an Oyster, use an Oyster, tell your friends and family to do the same, or be a mug and pay the higher fares. I had an Oyster once. I bought it because everyone said "Oh they're so great!" But I ever only needed to use it two or three times in the two years I had it. Then next time I tried to use it, it just plain didn't work at all. The card had just died, and wouldn't respond to the readers. And I still had nearly five quid on it! I suppose I should have tried to register it, and sent off to get a replacement. But why bother for something I never use and probably won't work anyway...? Far simpler just to write my five pounds off as lost to the system. And in the the year since it's broken down, I've only _once_ been in a situation where I could have saved any money by using Oyster. I'd probably lose more money on faulty cards in the long run... So I _will_ be telling my friends and family to do the same, and stay well clear of Oyster. It's the most useless and over-rated piece of technology ever inflicted on the travelling public. And the sooner we're rid of it the better. |
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![]() sweek wrote: I think Oyster really is tourist-friendly. When I'm leaving the Netherlands I'm not going to get the value left on my strippenkaart back, but a tourist in London can just hand in his Oyster and get his £3 deposit + any value left on it return. You can't get the three quid deposit back on a card that's so faulty it's totally unreadable. I'm speaking from first hand experience here. |
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Boltar wrote:
I have an issue with them stiffing visitors to the city simply because they DONT have an oyster card. Its counter productive and just petty spiteful beaurocracy. Still frothing I see. Now let's see... it takes the same time to buy an Oyster at the ticket window as anything else, and of course you can also buy a travelcard, which most other transit systems provide. If you go to New York, you'd be mad not to buy a daily or weekly Metrocard, and their pay as you go system also has a free trip incentive. I've been to many European cities recently and never had a problem, but I do agree most are much cheaper for single tickets than LU, but this has been the case for a long time. And buying the odd single full cash fare is not going to bankrupt anyone, while the great incentive to move to a cashless, ticketless ystem is obvioulsy working. E. |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Boltar wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: In London, a paper ticket isn't a normal ticket. Oyster is. Try putting a one day travelcard on an Oyster. Oh hold on , you can't. Sorry , what were you saying? I was saying that Oyster is the normal form of ticket. Which it is. tom -- It's just really ****ing good and that's all. -- Gabe, on the Macintosh |
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![]() Tom Anderson wrote: On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Boltar wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: In London, a paper ticket isn't a normal ticket. Oyster is. Try putting a one day travelcard on an Oyster. Oh hold on , you can't. Sorry , what were you saying? I was saying that Oyster is the normal form of ticket. Which it is. For season ticket holders yes it is , but people who are here just for a day or 2 and want to tour the city will want 1 day travelcards which Osyer doesn't support. Sure , you can use it in prepay mode but you'll pay through the nose if you make more than a few journeys whereas a travelcard is a one off cost. Though knowing Ken & Tfl I suspect thats the whole point - prepay brings in more revenue. Wouldn't surprise me if the 1 day travelcard ceases to exist in the next few years and the clock will roll back to 1985 where you only had the choice of singles or returns (which is all prepay is at the end of the day). B2003 |
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![]() Boltar wrote: For season ticket holders yes it is , but people who are here just for a day or 2 and want to tour the city will want 1 day travelcards which Osyer doesn't support. And what about people who live in London but don't use season tickets? Or who use point-to-point NR seasons with no travelcard/tube/bus/zonal options? Oyster is next-to-useless for us too. Though knowing Ken & Tfl I suspect thats the whole point - prepay brings in more revenue. Wouldn't surprise me if the 1 day travelcard ceases to exist in the next few years and the clock will roll back to 1985 where you only had the choice of singles or returns (which is all prepay is at the end of the day). I'd be in favour of that if they were dirt-cheap returns and singles, cheaper than one day travelcards because you're not paying for unnecessary bus journeys, but implemented using proven tried-and-tested technology like paper and cardboard, not unreliable new-fangled smart cards that break down after you've only used them two or three times! |
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