On Sat, 30 Dec 2006, Tristán White wrote:

Not sure about Paddington one - I think it's possible to get from one to
the other without going to street level isn't it? but you have to walk
past some NR platforms or something.... been a while since I went down
there.

There's no behind-the-barriers interchange. You have to go through the
mainline station.

I have been told that it's also possible to get from the H&C platforms to
the concourse without going through any barriers at all, but that's
another story ...

tom

PS ISTR that the technical term for what i'm called 'behind-the-barriers'
interchange is 'fare-paid' - is that right, or is my mind going?

--
Don't ask me man, i didn't do it.

Tom Anderson wrote:

PS ISTR that the technical term for what i'm called
'behind-the-barriers' interchange is 'fare-paid' - is that right, or is
my mind going?

In NYC we speak of that area as being inside fare control. I don't know
if that term is also used in London.
--
David of Broadway
New York, NY, USA

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:19:38 -0500, David of Broadway wrote:

PS ISTR that the technical term for what i'm called
'behind-the-barriers' interchange is 'fare-paid' - is that right, or is
my mind going?

In NYC we speak of that area as being inside fare control. I don't know
if that term is also used in London.

IIRC the LU Conditions of Carriage uses the term "Compulsory Fare
Area".

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006, Tristán White wrote:

Not sure about Paddington one - I think it's possible to get from one to
the other without going to street level isn't it? but you have to walk
past some NR platforms or something.... been a while since I went down
there.

There's no behind-the-barriers interchange. You have to go through the
mainline station.

I have been told that it's also possible to get from the H&C platforms to
the concourse without going through any barriers at all, but that's
another story ...


I'm not sure I should be disseminating such information, but it's been
discussed here beforehand, and it's not going to be much help in fare
evasion given that most other LU stations are gated, so I'll continue!

The ticket barriers do not need to be traversed when exiting the H&C
platforms - one can go up the stairs from the H&C to the overbridge
then before the LU gates there's stairs down to some of the Paddington
suburban platforms (13 & 14 IIRC). From there one can walk along the
side of platform 12 (see the map - I think platform 13 is a bay
platform at the end of the platform face of platform 12) out onto the
concourse. I have seen FGW revenue staff at this end, but if you say
you're headed for the Underground they wave you through.

Note that I wasn't using this route for anything nefarious - I'm pretty
sure it is the quickest route from the Bakerloo to the H&C, if you use
the small Tube entrance/exit next to Cafe Nero and Taste.

By the by it's also possible to avoid the gates and get to the mainline
Intercity platforms (p2-5, or maybe p2-7) by using the overbridge,
though I think FGW do cover these routes with revenue control staff
some of the time as well. Just to be clear, I am not trying to
encourage ticketless travel, but merely observing the chinks in the
armour.

Paddington station map:
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documen...Paddington.pdf

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006, Mizter T wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006, Tristán White wrote:

Not sure about Paddington one - I think it's possible to get from one
to the other without going to street level isn't it? but you have to
walk past some NR platforms or something.... been a while since I went
down there.

There's no behind-the-barriers interchange. You have to go through the
mainline station.

I have been told that it's also possible to get from the H&C platforms
to the concourse without going through any barriers at all, but that's
another story ...

I'm not sure I should be disseminating such information, but it's been
discussed here beforehand, and it's not going to be much help in fare
evasion given that most other LU stations are gated, so I'll continue!

I live in Finsbury Park. Luckily, i am an honest man!

The ticket barriers do not need to be traversed when exiting the H&C
platforms - one can go up the stairs from the H&C to the overbridge then
before the LU gates there's stairs down to some of the Paddington
suburban platforms (13 & 14 IIRC). From there one can walk along the
side of platform 12 (see the map - I think platform 13 is a bay platform
at the end of the platform face of platform 12) out onto the concourse.

That's what i thought, although i've never actually tried it myself.

tom

--
Like Kurosawa i make mad films; okay, i don't make films, but if i did
they'd have a samurai.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:49:00 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006, Tristán White wrote:

Not sure about Paddington one - I think it's possible to get from one to
the other without going to street level isn't it? but you have to walk
past some NR platforms or something.... been a while since I went down
there.

There's no behind-the-barriers interchange. You have to go through the
mainline station.

I have been told that it's also possible to get from the H&C platforms to
the concourse without going through any barriers at all, but that's
another story ...

I haven't used Paddington for a while but yes I'm pretty sure it used
to be possible to go across to the Ealing Broadway local platform,
from which you could walk all the way along some lesser used main line
platform and end up at the business end of the main station (near the
entrance to the Bakerloo station).

Tristán White wrote:
Something really should be done asap about Shepherds Bush. How confusing is
it to have two completely unconnected stations with exactly the same name.

If you think thats confusing, go to Chicago. There are 5 separate
stations called "Western", 3 of which are on the same line! And there
are plenty of other examples on the same network.

See http://www.chicago-l.org/maps/route/...03elevated.jpg

Great system though.

regards
HN28

Do they have much of a hope?

Hopefully not - Aldgate East is not on the Brick Lane... London is full
of misplaced stations (Whitechapel, Rotherhithe, Bermondsey, Shepherd's
Bush) and we don't need yet another one.

In message 5, Tristán
White writes
What do you think of the petition by Brick Lane residents and shop and
restaurant owners to get Aldgate East renamed "Brick Lane" to boost the
area. Having lost Shoreditch station, they're getting a bit of a rum deal
at the moment.

Do they have much of a hope?


I'd have said Aldgate East being right on top of Brick Lane should be
the one renamed (if any).

Well they did rename Gillespie Road to please a load of footy fans, so I
reckon renaming Aldgate East to Brick Lane is ok, and they probably
stand the best chance with Ken as mayor.


--
Edward Cowling London UK

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:31:15 +0000, Edward Cowling London UK
wrote:

In message 5, Tristán
White writes
What do you think of the petition by Brick Lane residents and shop and
restaurant owners to get Aldgate East renamed "Brick Lane" to boost the
area. Having lost Shoreditch station, they're getting a bit of a rum deal
at the moment.

Do they have much of a hope?


I'd have said Aldgate East being right on top of Brick Lane should be
the one renamed (if any).

Well they did rename Gillespie Road to please a load of footy fans,

Paid for, IIRC, by Arsenal Football Club.

so I reckon renaming Aldgate East to Brick Lane is ok,

Well, if the businesses petitioning want to pay the costs involved...