In message , Richard J.
writes

Paul Terry wrote:

Its only a short walk to Richmond station, from where a fast train
will get to Waterloo in 10 minutes.

Not that fast, in the afternoon anyway; 19 minutes is the fastest.

Yes, sorry - that should have been 20 minutes, not 10.

Curiously, despite having 4 tracks from Barnes onwards, none of the
all-stations stopping trains are overtaken by the fasts.

With the current timetable, the four-track section is used to allow the
fasts to overtake Hounslow loop stopping-services in the up direction.
But Richmond fasts overtake Richmond stoppers in the down direction
(usually at Barnes) - they leave Waterloo 5 minutes after the stopping
service but arrive at Richmond 6 minutes before the latter.
--
Paul Terry

Paul Cummins wrote:

In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote:

On a
Tuesday afternoon (when the OP is travelling), the time to get to
Waterloo from arrival at Richmond station (including waiting for
the train) would be between 19 and 33 minutes, average 26 minutes.
Curiously, despite having 4 tracks from Barnes onwards, none of the
all-stations stopping trains are overtaken by the fasts.

By comparison, parking in Basingstoke is £2.50 a day, and 50 minutes
into Waterloo, and an easy drive from Somerset without having to
stress on either the motorway or the suburbs of London.

--
Paul Cummins

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True that parking would be cheaper in Basingstoke but outweighed by the
higher cost of the train ticket. (£20 as opposed to £5.70 for a 1-4
travelcard at Richmond) If theres more than one of you then car to
Richmond would be more cost effective.

However if it's just one person, to save the extra drive into town i
would say it's worth it.
Basingstoke to Richmond takes about 45 minutes in reasonable traffic at
legal speeds.
The additional time on the train is only 20 minutes.

Paul Cummins wrote:

By comparison, parking in Basingstoke is £2.50 a day, and 50 minutes
into Waterloo, and an easy drive from Somerset without having to
stress on either the motorway or the suburbs of London.


Where in Basingstoke can you park for £2.50 anywhere near the station?
The station car park was £4 when I last used it a year or two ago and
I think is now over £5, and parking all day in the nearby shopping
centre is somewhere around £7.

Steve Adams

In article .com,
(Steve) wrote:

Where in Basingstoke can you park for £2.50 anywhere near the
station?

The old Allders car park. Go up the ram next to the station, and at
the top go straight on, instead of turning left.

--
Paul Cummins

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Paul Terry wrote:
In message ,
Richard J. writes

Paul Terry wrote:

Its only a short walk to Richmond station, from where a fast
train will get to Waterloo in 10 minutes.

Not that fast, in the afternoon anyway; 19 minutes is the fastest.

Yes, sorry - that should have been 20 minutes, not 10.

Curiously, despite having 4 tracks from Barnes onwards, none of the
all-stations stopping trains are overtaken by the fasts.

With the current timetable, the four-track section is used to allow
the fasts to overtake Hounslow loop stopping-services in the up
direction.

Not in the afternoon when the OP would be travelling, unless you can
give an example.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In message , Richard J.
writes

Paul Terry wrote:
With the current timetable, the four-track section is used to allow
the fasts to overtake Hounslow loop stopping-services in the up
direction.

Not in the afternoon when the OP would be travelling, unless you can
give an example.

Fast trains leaving Richmond at 15 and 45 minutes past the hour pass
non-stop through Barnes 4-5 minutes later, overtaking the Hounslow loop
services that leave Barnes at 19 and 49 minutes past the hour - usually
passing in the station or soon after.
--
Paul Terry

Paul Terry wrote:
In message ,
Richard J. writes

Paul Terry wrote:
With the current timetable, the four-track section is used to
allow the fasts to overtake Hounslow loop stopping-services in
the up direction.

Not in the afternoon when the OP would be travelling, unless you
can give an example.

Fast trains leaving Richmond at 15 and 45 minutes past the hour pass
non-stop through Barnes 4-5 minutes later, overtaking the Hounslow
loop services that leave Barnes at 19 and 49 minutes past the hour
- usually passing in the station or soon after.

Oh, *those* Hounslow Loop services! Yes, of course, the fasts from
Richmond overtake the clockwise Waterloo-Richmond-Hounslow-Waterloo
trains. I was looking at the Richmond-Waterloo timetable, forgetting
that from Barnes onwards you also have up trains from the other
direction in the timetable.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:

Paul Terry wrote:
In message ,
Richard J. writes

Paul Terry wrote:
With the current timetable, the four-track section is used to
allow the fasts to overtake Hounslow loop stopping-services in
the up direction.

Not in the afternoon when the OP would be travelling, unless you
can give an example.

Fast trains leaving Richmond at 15 and 45 minutes past the hour pass
non-stop through Barnes 4-5 minutes later, overtaking the Hounslow
loop services that leave Barnes at 19 and 49 minutes past the hour
- usually passing in the station or soon after.


Are those the Hounslow loop services which go via Richmond then round
to Hounslow.
The ones which aren't really advertised (I guess to stop people getting
really confused)

Usually the indicator boards say Mortlake on the anti clockwise routes.
And strangely Chiswick on the anticlockwise. From Barnes onwards I
think.

I still find the service useful when going into Waterloo from
Isleworth.
As if a train is delayed by 10 minutes or more it's sometimes worth
your while taking the train on the opposite platform. Journey will be
longer by ten minutes but the train is late by ten minutes. So no real
difference. At least giving you the sense that you are moving and you
get a seat and can read the paper rather than waiting for a train in
the cold which may/may not arrive later.

Of course the other use is to getting over to Richmond, Sheen or
Mortlake easily.

Obviously works in the other direction too. But I don't know why the
residents of Richmond would ever want to come to Hounslow! (Asda
maybe?)





Oh, *those* Hounslow Loop services! Yes, of course, the fasts from
Richmond overtake the clockwise Waterloo-Richmond-Hounslow-Waterloo
trains. I was looking at the Richmond-Waterloo timetable, forgetting
that from Barnes onwards you also have up trains from the other
direction in the timetable.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In message .com,
Londoncityslicker writes

Are those the Hounslow loop services which go via Richmond then round
to Hounslow.

Yes - on the last part of their clockwise journey round the loop.

The ones which aren't really advertised (I guess to stop people getting
really confused)

Well, they're advertised clearly enough in the Housnlow Loop timetable,
but circular services are always a problem for simple destination-board
signs. Or for queries like "Does this train go to Chiswick? Well, yes
.... eventually"!

Of course the other use is to getting over to Richmond, Sheen or
Mortlake easily.

Obviously works in the other direction too. But I don't know why the
residents of Richmond would ever want to come to Hounslow!

I think the clockwise service is provided to enable residents of
Hounslow to get back
--
Paul Terry

"Londoncityslicker" wrote in message
oups.com...

Obviously works in the other direction too. But I don't know why the
residents of Richmond would ever want to come to Hounslow! (Asda
maybe?)

The average Richmond resident wouldn't be seen dead in Asda!

However, aspirational people unfortunate enough to live in Hounslow may
like to go to Richmond for some sightseeing, to visit proper shops and to
watch their betters in their natural habitat[1].

Ian

[1] There is also a Marks & Spencer if they prefer that to Habitat.

;-)