In message .com, Kev
writes

I'm amused by the idea that railway staff have the right to finish in time
for the last train home.
The driver who drives the last train home can't catch another tarin
home what ever time the trains finish and I'm called ignorant.
Perhaps they could get a passenger to drive the last train of the day
so all the staff could get home.

The driver who drives the last train also tends to be the driver who
also drives the first train. There are night turns (I know this as I am
that driver this week!) to cover these things.
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The driver who drives the last train also tends to be the driver who
also drives the first train. There are night turns (I know this as I am
that driver this week!) to cover these things.
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Unfortunately under the great all-singing and dancing "Company Plan" of
1992 LU agreed to limit the % of night turn duties for drivers. A night
turn was defined as a duty finishing after 1am or 1.30am, forget which.
The proposed later running on Fri and Sat exceeds the % limit so
requires a change in T/Ops' Contracts. I believe the unions are willing
to have drivers' conditions altered, *providing* that they too are
allowed to get rid of those parts of it they don't like (e.g. unpaid
meal reliefs). Of course LU don't want to go anywhere near issues like
this! Also there are quite a few staff who are currently able to use
late night National Rail trains to go home but who will finish too late
for this under the new timetables. This is being used to fuel an
existing TU campaign to get staff taxis to provide a home drop-off
service as opposed to using LU/NR stations or other public buildings on
main roads. As with most of LU, nothing is quite simple as it seems!

In message . com,
writes

The driver who drives the last train also tends to be the driver who
also drives the first train. There are night turns (I know this as I am
that driver this week!) to cover these things.
--

Unfortunately under the great all-singing and dancing "Company Plan" of
1992 LU agreed to limit the % of night turn duties for drivers. A night
turn was defined as a duty finishing after 1am or 1.30am, forget which.

0130
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Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

In article .com,
Kev wrote:
Then I suggest that the you and the driver are an ignorant tosser. He
was reprieved a sacking and got a suspended sentence. The choice is
his. If he doesn't run a red light he will be ok.

"Running a red light" to me implies a deliberate act; he knew the light
was red and decided to keep going anyway.

I very much doubt that that is the case: train drivers may accidentally
go past a red light, but I rather suspect that the last time a driver
may have deliberatly done so was in 1975 (and even then, it's hard to be
sure it was deliberate - he died, of course).

Why does whether the driver does or doesn't do his job
correctly make me ignorant.

Perfect, are we?

I would suggest that the driver has more to lose in a crash since he
would be at the front. Given that the drivers that strike don't give a
toss about the passengers why should the passengers give a toss about
the drivers.

Because a sense of justice means that the rules agreed between the
managment and the workers should be followed.

--
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3!
-- Flash

Mike Bristow wrote:

In article .com,
Kev wrote:
Then I suggest that the you and the driver are an ignorant tosser. He
was reprieved a sacking and got a suspended sentence. The choice is
his. If he doesn't run a red light he will be ok.

"Running a red light" to me implies a deliberate act; he knew the light
was red and decided to keep going anyway.

I very much doubt that that is the case: train drivers may accidentally
go past a red light, but I rather suspect that the last time a driver
may have deliberatly done so was in 1975 (and even then, it's hard to be
sure it was deliberate - he died, of course).

Why does whether the driver does or doesn't do his job
correctly make me ignorant.

Perfect, are we?

I would suggest that the driver has more to lose in a crash since he
would be at the front. Given that the drivers that strike don't give a
toss about the passengers why should the passengers give a toss about
the drivers.

Because a sense of justice means that the rules agreed between the
managment and the workers should be followed.

--
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3!
-- Flash

Then maybe somebody needs to ask the question why so many drivers go
past red lights accidentally? I still don't see why I should feel
concerned for a driver who may pass another red signal and therefore
invoke a suspended sentence when drivers don't give a toss about
passengers when they go on strike. This driver has been given a second
chance. If it was me I don't think that I would complain.
I would say that makes drivers ignorant *******.

Kevin

"Kev" wrote in message
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Mike Bristow wrote:

In article .com,
Kev wrote:
Then I suggest that the you and the driver are an ignorant tosser. He
was reprieved a sacking and got a suspended sentence. The choice is
his. If he doesn't run a red light he will be ok.

"Running a red light" to me implies a deliberate act; he knew the light
was red and decided to keep going anyway.

I very much doubt that that is the case: train drivers may accidentally
go past a red light, but I rather suspect that the last time a driver
may have deliberatly done so was in 1975 (and even then, it's hard to be
sure it was deliberate - he died, of course).

Why does whether the driver does or doesn't do his job
correctly make me ignorant.

Perfect, are we?

I would suggest that the driver has more to lose in a crash since he
would be at the front. Given that the drivers that strike don't give a
toss about the passengers why should the passengers give a toss about
the drivers.

Because a sense of justice means that the rules agreed between the
managment and the workers should be followed.

--
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3!
-- Flash

Then maybe somebody needs to ask the question why so many drivers go
past red lights accidentally? I still don't see why I should feel
concerned for a driver who may pass another red signal and therefore
invoke a suspended sentence when drivers don't give a toss about
passengers when they go on strike. This driver has been given a second
chance. If it was me I don't think that I would complain.
I would say that makes drivers ignorant *******.

Kevin

What *ALL* of them??
Shut up you silly sod, My Father in Law has been a driver for 34 years and
does NOT deliberatly go through red lights!
PILLOCK!

Tristan Goe wrote:

"Kev" wrote in message
ups.com...

Mike Bristow wrote:

In article .com,
Kev wrote:
Then I suggest that the you and the driver are an ignorant tosser. He
was reprieved a sacking and got a suspended sentence. The choice is
his. If he doesn't run a red light he will be ok.

"Running a red light" to me implies a deliberate act; he knew the light
was red and decided to keep going anyway.

I very much doubt that that is the case: train drivers may accidentally
go past a red light, but I rather suspect that the last time a driver
may have deliberatly done so was in 1975 (and even then, it's hard to be
sure it was deliberate - he died, of course).

Why does whether the driver does or doesn't do his job
correctly make me ignorant.

Perfect, are we?

I would suggest that the driver has more to lose in a crash since he
would be at the front. Given that the drivers that strike don't give a
toss about the passengers why should the passengers give a toss about
the drivers.

Because a sense of justice means that the rules agreed between the
managment and the workers should be followed.

--
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3!
-- Flash

Then maybe somebody needs to ask the question why so many drivers go
past red lights accidentally? I still don't see why I should feel
concerned for a driver who may pass another red signal and therefore
invoke a suspended sentence when drivers don't give a toss about
passengers when they go on strike. This driver has been given a second
chance. If it was me I don't think that I would complain.
I would say that makes drivers ignorant *******.

Kevin

What *ALL* of them??
Shut up you silly sod, My Father in Law has been a driver for 34 years and
does NOT deliberatly go through red lights!
PILLOCK!

I am very glad to hear it so can we get back onto the context of the
driver who was to be sacked then got a suspended sentence then. He has
already gone through one red light and if he doesn't go through another
he will be ok.
Drivers who go through red lights are pillocks and those that go on
strike in support of sacked drivers who have no concern for passengers
are pillocks.
As a fare paying passenger do you think I give a damn what the drivers
think of me?

Kevin

"Kev" wrote in message
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As a fare paying passenger do you think I give a damn what the drivers
think of me?

In my experience, most LUL staff treat us with a sneering disdain.

A good example is the Northern line northbound via CX drivers at
Kennington who close the doors and pull away immediately a Northern Line
northbound via Bank arrives at the adjacent platform. And don't give me
all that 'sticking to a timetable' ******** - another 30 seconds is not
going to make any difference to their already appalling punctuality
record.

Ian

Ian F. wrote:

"Kev" wrote in message
ups.com...

As a fare paying passenger do you think I give a damn what the drivers
think of me?

In my experience, most LUL staff treat us with a sneering disdain.

A good example is the Northern line northbound via CX drivers at
Kennington who close the doors and pull away immediately a Northern Line
northbound via Bank arrives at the adjacent platform. And don't give me
all that 'sticking to a timetable' ******** - another 30 seconds is not
going to make any difference to their already appalling punctuality
record.

Ian

I remembered the guy, I am sure he was a driver, who was caught playing
squash when he was on sick leave. They dared to sack him and a strike
was only averted after the guy resigned. I rest my case.

Kevin

Kev wrote:
Ian F. wrote:

"Kev" wrote in message
ups.com...

As a fare paying passenger do you think I give a damn what the drivers
think of me?
In my experience, most LUL staff treat us with a sneering disdain.

A good example is the Northern line northbound via CX drivers at
Kennington who close the doors and pull away immediately a Northern Line
northbound via Bank arrives at the adjacent platform. And don't give me
all that 'sticking to a timetable' ******** - another 30 seconds is not
going to make any difference to their already appalling punctuality
record.

Ian

I remembered the guy, I am sure he was a driver, who was caught playing
squash when he was on sick leave. They dared to sack him and a strike
was only averted after the guy resigned. I rest my case.

Kevin

I'm not going to defend some of my colleagues who do silly things except
to say that industrial action is called when justice and procedures for
dealing with these cases are not followed, if we behave like arseholes
we should expect to be punished but we should also expect to be treated
fairly and the system followed, sadly some managers and lines forget this.