Seeing that TfL is due to take over the North London (When is that due to
happen?), have they ever thought about further extending the DLR further
west?

Methinks that it would be a boon for Hackney, which suffers from a lack of
any tube stations.

I can imagine the DLR going out to Highbury & Islington, as it would allow
connections to the Victoria Line as well as to the ELL at Dalston Kingsland.
And NLL would terminate at Highbury & Islington.

Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the existing DLR
lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of late, just
realised that Stratford Market will now be called Stratford High Street.
This is a shame. Apart from the fact that Stratford High Street is really
anything but - the shops (which is what a "High Street" brings to mind) are
all up on the Broadway - I liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market
was being resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market
any more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge, which
was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And there is
still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of the old
Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished into hideous
perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this makes
more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane isn't it? I know
I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which is the Western side of
the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of course East of the track (quite a
bit East). So has the location of the station changed at all in the rename?


Sorry, so many questions there.... !!

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
.li...


One cannot deal with a bottleneck by increasing capacity elsewhere!

But i suppose this means that the single-track section is not currently
the bottleneck - it's presumably short enough, and the DLR's computers
smart enough, not to be.

It should be ok just before a terminus, Tower Gateway effectively has a
single line branch to it, and that off a line interworked with trains to
Bank. I guess a train will just depart from one platform as soon as one
arrives in the other.

Paul

Tristán White wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the existing DLR
lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of late, just
realised that Stratford Market will now be called Stratford High Street.
This is a shame. Apart from the fact that Stratford High Street is really
anything but - the shops (which is what a "High Street" brings to mind) are
all up on the Broadway - I liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market
was being resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market
any more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge, which
was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And there is
still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of the old
Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished into hideous
perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this makes
more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane isn't it? I know
I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which is the Western side of
the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of course East of the track (quite a
bit East). So has the location of the station changed at all in the rename?

The decision to change the name was taken because it was felt that the
catchment on the eastern side of the station was more important (at
least initially), and that Star Lane was a more recognised place locally.

The location of the station hasn't changed at all - it is situated at
the footbridge over the railway which links Cody Road/Stephenson Road to
Star Lane/Manor Road. They essentially face each other across the tracks
(although the road vehicle route between the two involves a lengthy
detour at least five times longer than the distance between them!).

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

wrote:
Seeing that TfL is due to take over the North London (When is that due to
happen?), have they ever thought about further extending the DLR further
west?

Methinks that it would be a boon for Hackney, which suffers from a lack of
any tube stations.

I can imagine the DLR going out to Highbury & Islington, as it would allow
connections to the Victoria Line as well as to the ELL at Dalston Kingsland.
And NLL would terminate at Highbury & Islington.

TfL's takeover of the North London Line and the rest of the Silverlink
Metro franchise begins in November this year, when it will be rebranded
as London Overground.

AFAIK no proposals exist to extend the DLR further west, although there
have been proposals to extend it northeast slightly from Stratford
International to Temple Mills.

Passenger traffic on the NLL between Stratford and Highbury & Islington
is presently good, and quite busy, with many of passengers making
connections at Highbury & Islington (for central London). Plans are in
the works for significant enhancements to the heavy rail service on the
NLL, initially by extending trains to four cars but later by doubling
service frequency from 4 to 8tph. Extended East London Line services
will interwork with these from west of Dalston beyond Highbury to
Caledonian Road & Barnsbury.

Conversion of the line to DLR would preclude this interworking and
prevent operation of through services from the ELR to the NLL, the key
link in the creation of the orbital railway route via Clapham Junction,
Willesden Junction, Highbury and Canada Water.

The NLL here is also used by freight, and once again conversion to DLR
would preclude this. Whilst the NLL southeast of Stratford is being
converted to DLR operation, passenger routings on that section of the
line are quite different to those on the densely populated and
heavily-used section through Hackney, where a higher proportion of
journeys run through to the west and where the DLR would not be able to
provide a particularly attractive alternative to the heavy rail service.

In the medium term, London Overground services will provide an
attractive service across Hackney, linking into the Underground at
Highbury, Stratford and Whitechapel, and providig access to parts of the
City via Shoreditch High Street station.

In the long (long, long) term, Crossrail 2 would provide Hackney with a
service equivalent to (if not superior to) the Tube by linking Hackney
itself and Dalston to King's Cross, Tottenham Court Road and Victoria.

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

"Dave A" wrote in message
...
wrote:

In the medium term, London Overground services will provide an attractive
service across Hackney, linking into the Underground at Highbury,
Stratford and Whitechapel, and providig access to parts of the City via
Shoreditch High Street station.


Dave, as you seem to have a good view of all the upcoming changes - do you
think the use of the term 'Overground' for the south London high frequency
services has got any legs? I had a quick look at the website for the
'Overground Network' - it seems pretty stale, is it still being actively
promoted? There doesn't seem to be much likelihood of Ken running the
services in the short/medium term, and the risk is that with 'North London
Railway', 'NLL', 'ELL', WLL' Overground[TfL]', and 'Overground[NR]' there is
a real risk of a lack of corporate identity, and therefore passenger
confusion?...

Paul

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 wrote:

Methinks that it would be a boon for Hackney, which suffers from a lack
of any tube stations.

Oh god, first we get the ELL, and then the DLR - because of course no
Hackneylander would want to go anywhere west of Whitechapel!

I can imagine the DLR going out to Highbury & Islington, as it would
allow connections to the Victoria Line as well as to the ELL at Dalston
Kingsland. And NLL would terminate at Highbury & Islington.

Hmm. Not so sure about that - that would mean a decrease in capacity from
H&I to Stratford, a change for anyone heading to Stratford (which is
apparently a hip and happening place) from west of H&I, and the loss of
the ability to run trains through from the NLL to the ELL, which is
something some people are rather keen on.

It would be good to have somewhere for the Stratford International branch
to go to the north, though; the development of the Olympic site would be
an ideal time to build it. I can't see anywhere it could go beyond the
site, though, unless you want to chew up yet more marshland, do some
on-street running, or take over the Lea Valley line.

tom

--
MADSKILLZ!

Paul Scott wrote:
"Dave A" wrote in message
...
wrote:

In the medium term, London Overground services will provide an attractive
service across Hackney, linking into the Underground at Highbury,
Stratford and Whitechapel, and providig access to parts of the City via
Shoreditch High Street station.


Dave, as you seem to have a good view of all the upcoming changes - do you
think the use of the term 'Overground' for the south London high frequency
services has got any legs? I had a quick look at the website for the
'Overground Network' - it seems pretty stale, is it still being actively
promoted? There doesn't seem to be much likelihood of Ken running the
services in the short/medium term, and the risk is that with 'North London
Railway', 'NLL', 'ELL', WLL' Overground[TfL]', and 'Overground[NR]' there is
a real risk of a lack of corporate identity, and therefore passenger
confusion?...

TfL are quite keen on establishing a good identity for London Overground
services. AIUI the Overground Network branding will be phased out
starting ASAP. I'm not sure if any other branding or identification will
be used in its place - it was semi-helpful in indicating medium to
high-frequency off-peak services (some of which were brought up that
standard with encouragement from TfL), but there are probably other ways
to deal with that.

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

"Dave A" wrote in message
...

TfL are quite keen on establishing a good identity for London Overground
services. AIUI the Overground Network branding will be phased out starting
ASAP. I'm not sure if any other branding or identification will be used in
its place - it was semi-helpful in indicating medium to high-frequency
off-peak services (some of which were brought up that standard with
encouragement from TfL), but there are probably other ways to deal with
that.


Agreed - searching the TfL website you can even find references to improving
security on the 'Bakerloo overground stations' - I think I know what they're
getting at...

Paul

Dave A wrote:

Passenger traffic on the NLL between Stratford and Highbury &
Islington is presently good, and quite busy, with many of passengers
making connections at Highbury & Islington (for central London). Plans
are in the works for significant enhancements to the heavy rail
service on the NLL, initially by
extending trains to four cars but later by doubling service frequency
from 4 to 8tph.

I thought it was the other way round, i.e. 8 tph first (from 2009) and
longer trains later. Although your site implies that all the new trains
for the NLL/WLL/ELL will be of 4 cars, the notes at the end of TfL's
press release of 5/9/06 said "24 dual-voltage three-car trains for the
North London Railway from 2009; 20 four-car trains for the East London
Railway when it opens in 2010".

In TfL's response (Feb 2006) to Network Rail's draft Cross-London RUS,
it says "Our research suggests that 3-car operation [on the NLL with 8
tph] may be sufficient to meet 2016 forecast peak hour demand ... but
not beyond."

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)