"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,

No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction - trains
south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards KGV and
eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the existing line
east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having major improvements
to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase capacity.

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?

No, they have already headed south at Westferry...

Paul S

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,

No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction

Surely all that'd be necessary would be to demolish the A13?

- trains south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards
KGV and eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the
existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having
major improvements to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase
capacity.

It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?

No, they have already headed south at Westferry...

Doh! I meant from the east. Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of the
HSBC building makes it hard to say, but it looks like it would be
possible.

I was, as i think you guessed, wondering if the new route could replace
the old one, but it seems not. It would be a bit longer anyway, and would
mean the line up to Bow Church would look slightly silly.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,

No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction

Surely all that'd be necessary would be to demolish the A13?

After TfL has spent so much money on it!


- trains south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards
KGV and eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the
existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having
major improvements to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase
capacity.

It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?


I think it does. However this branch will have *two* platforms at
Stratford once the redevelopment is finished, which will enhance
capacity.

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?

No, they have already headed south at Westferry...

Doh! I meant from the east. Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of the
HSBC building makes it hard to say, but it looks like it would be
possible.

Trains arriving from at Poplar from either the northern or eastern
branches - i.e. from either All Saints or Blackwall can run either
west towards Westferry and the City or south down to West India Quay
and Canary Wharf.


I was, as i think you guessed, wondering if the new route could replace
the old one, but it seems not. It would be a bit longer anyway, and would
mean the line up to Bow Church would look slightly silly.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Mizter T wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

Remember that the existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and
Lewisham is also having major improvements to its platforms at
Stratford, which will increase capacity.

It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?

I think it does. However this branch will have *two* platforms at
Stratford once the redevelopment is finished, which will enhance
capacity.

One cannot deal with a bottleneck by increasing capacity elsewhere!

But i suppose this means that the single-track section is not currently
the bottleneck - it's presumably short enough, and the DLR's computers
smart enough, not to be.

tom

--
A plug on its back, straining to suck voltage from the sky

Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the existing DLR
lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of late, just
realised that Stratford Market will now be called Stratford High Street.
This is a shame. Apart from the fact that Stratford High Street is really
anything but - the shops (which is what a "High Street" brings to mind) are
all up on the Broadway - I liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market
was being resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market
any more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge, which
was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And there is
still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of the old
Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished into hideous
perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this makes
more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane isn't it? I know
I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which is the Western side of
the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of course East of the track (quite a
bit East). So has the location of the station changed at all in the rename?


Sorry, so many questions there.... !!

Tristán White wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the existing DLR
lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of late, just
realised that Stratford Market will now be called Stratford High Street.
This is a shame. Apart from the fact that Stratford High Street is really
anything but - the shops (which is what a "High Street" brings to mind) are
all up on the Broadway - I liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market
was being resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market
any more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge, which
was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And there is
still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of the old
Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished into hideous
perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this makes
more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane isn't it? I know
I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which is the Western side of
the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of course East of the track (quite a
bit East). So has the location of the station changed at all in the rename?

The decision to change the name was taken because it was felt that the
catchment on the eastern side of the station was more important (at
least initially), and that Star Lane was a more recognised place locally.

The location of the station hasn't changed at all - it is situated at
the footbridge over the railway which links Cody Road/Stephenson Road to
Star Lane/Manor Road. They essentially face each other across the tracks
(although the road vehicle route between the two involves a lengthy
detour at least five times longer than the distance between them!).

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave A wrote in
:

Tristán White wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote in
.li:

Work to start on DLR from Canning Town to Stratford International



Anyone know whether there is likely to be any downtime on the
existing DLR lines at Canning Town and Stratford Mainline during
these works?


To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to the DLR of
late, just realised that Stratford Market will now be called
Stratford High Street. This is a shame. Apart from the fact that
Stratford High Street is really anything but - the shops (which is
what a "High Street" brings to mind) are all up on the Broadway - I
liked the fact that the name of Stratford Market was being
resuscitated. But there again, Stratford Market is not a market any
more so my argument is well flawed. But it would have been nice to
bring the name back.

Perhaps even better would have been to rename it Stratford Bridge,
which was the name of Stratford Market station from 1847 to 1889. And
there is still a bridge there.

Anyone know whether the DLR station will keep the look and feel of
the old Stratford Market building? Or is it going to be refurbished
into hideous perspex like the rest of them?

As for the decision to change Cody Road to Star Lane, I guess this
makes more sense, but Cody Road is quite some way from Star Lane
isn't it? I know I pick up my couriered parcels from Cody Road which
is the Western side of the Silverlink track, and Star Lane is of
course East of the track (quite a bit East). So has the location of
the station changed at all in the rename?

The decision to change the name was taken because it was felt that the
catchment on the eastern side of the station was more important (at
least initially), and that Star Lane was a more recognised place
locally.

The location of the station hasn't changed at all - it is situated at
the footbridge over the railway which links Cody Road/Stephenson Road
to Star Lane/Manor Road. They essentially face each other across the
tracks (although the road vehicle route between the two involves a
lengthy detour at least five times longer than the distance between
them!).


Thanks - yes, I agree, Star Lane is a far better choice of name.

Not convinced about Stratford High Street (see my reasons).

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
.li...


One cannot deal with a bottleneck by increasing capacity elsewhere!

But i suppose this means that the single-track section is not currently
the bottleneck - it's presumably short enough, and the DLR's computers
smart enough, not to be.

It should be ok just before a terminus, Tower Gateway effectively has a
single line branch to it, and that off a line interworked with trains to
Bank. I guess a train will just depart from one platform as soon as one
arrives in the other.

Paul

Tom Anderson wrote:

and can trains from the [east] head south at Poplar?
Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of
the HSBC building makes it hard to say

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...&scene=4268612

Such a service used to operate for much of the week. I can't remember
exactly, but I think it was between Tower Gateway and Beckton via a reversal
at Canary Wharf.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

and can trains from the [east] head south at Poplar?
Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of
the HSBC building makes it hard to say

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...&scene=4268612

Hang on, those crossovers don't do anything to help trains on the outer
pair (from the east) get onto the central pair (to the south). Unless the
northern one is a scissors (there being an outer-to-inner crossover on the
up pair to the east) - i can't tell.

Such a service used to operate for much of the week. I can't remember
exactly, but I think it was between Tower Gateway and Beckton via a
reversal at Canary Wharf.

Suppose it must be, then!

tom

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