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Bill Harris wrote:
As an aside to this thread. Is it no lomger possible to upgrade to First legitimately? Only by doing so at the booking office, never on the train. The reason is that otherwise, there's no "penalty" for upgrading on the train and many people would just chance it. -- Joyce Whitchurch, Stalybridge, UK ================================= |
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Why not? I've done it several times in the couple of years the same way that
you describe. "Bill Harris" wrote in message ups.com... As an aside to this thread. Is it no lomger possible to upgrade to First legitimately? In the 1960s I travelled a lot using a rail warrant (Second Class in those days) and I regularly upgraded to First - if I had time I would do it at the ticket office or if the train was busy I would sit in first and pay the excess fare - definately only the difference between first and second fares. I was in the Merchant Navy and the extra luggage allowance was significant, we had to be prepaered to be away for up to a year and able to survive from Arctic cold to Tropical heat. Bill Harris |
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I have sat in first class on a long distance train with a standard class
ticket with the aim to upgrade, and none of the crews have ever tried to penalise me. When the conductor takes my ticket, I simply say that I would like to upgrade to first class, pay the difference and everybody is happy.. "Joyce Whitchurch" wrote in message ... Bill Harris wrote: As an aside to this thread. Is it no lomger possible to upgrade to First legitimately? Only by doing so at the booking office, never on the train. The reason is that otherwise, there's no "penalty" for upgrading on the train and many people would just chance it. -- Joyce Whitchurch, Stalybridge, UK ================================= |
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In message , at 10:16:39 on Sun, 21 Jan
2007, Joyce Whitchurch remarked: As an aside to this thread. Is it no lomger possible to upgrade to First legitimately? Only by doing so at the booking office, never on the train. Although MML at weekends have been known to announce the availability of their "Weekend First" upgrades, on the train, and collect the money while doing the ticket check. The reason is that otherwise, there's no "penalty" for upgrading on the train and many people would just chance it. -- Roland Perry |
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MIG wrote:
But the whole point of first class is so that people pay not to have to sit next to people like you (or me). Empty seats around them is the whole intention, which is ridiculous in overcrowded trains. It would be better to get rid of the concept of first class altogether. For anyone who really misses it on that sort of line, where there is no tea service or anything, they just need to bring a hanky with them to put on the back of the seat. The worst I've found is on sub-urban commuter routes where very few of the regular stock have first class but occasionally one gets put on. Naturally hardly anyone's got a first class ticket and the result is either have everyone squeeze into standard class like sardines or some have to go in first. |
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When you say "full" do you mean that all standard class areas have
fully occupied seats and no standing room, or the more usual, no desirable seats available (occupied by people/bags) and the rear carriage is half empty as it means a long walk at the destination to leave the station. That was my interpretation of other peoples actions, as I said at the end, I personally wouldn't, because I don't want the argument about the rights or wrongs of it and the ultimate PF. In fact as a season ticket holder I don't think that's an option if I'm caught in first - they just confiscate the ticket on the spot because you should have known better. But it doesn't make it frustrating to see spare seats going begging for the journey - the last stop before everyone gets off and you know they're not going to be used. The train I get each morning has all its seats occupied by people (I would always ask someone to move their bag/feet/shopping or move out so I can use the blocked window seat). This is at 6.50 on a 4 coach train with two virtually empty first class compartments which could seat maybe 18 people each. Regards, Dave |
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But the whole point of first class is so that people pay not to have
to sit next to people like you (or me). On long distances I can understand this, along with the seat service that's what you pay for (although I imagine in most cases, that's what your company pays for). It's not a problem having first class on commuter trains if the rest of the train has space to carrying everyone who wants to travel. All this crap the train companies spout about people having flexible tickets and not knowing when they might travel is ********. They've made a financial choice to put short trains on and should just say so. Regards, Dave |
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wrote in message
.uk... I have sat in first class on a long distance train with a standard class ticket with the aim to upgrade, and none of the crews have ever tried to penalise me. Different rules apply in Penalty Fares areas. You're correct that elsewhere on National Rail, unless you're using a Season Ticket, there's no penalty for asking for an upgrade in 1st Class from an ordinary walk-on Standard ticket beyond the appropriate difference in fares. That being said, the fares structure nowadays is so convoluted that - except for an upgrade to Weekend First - it might be quite difficult working out what you'd actually end up being asked to pay. -- Walter Mann |
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The worst I've found is on sub-urban commuter routes where very few of
the regular stock have first class but occasionally one gets put on. Naturally hardly anyone's got a first class ticket and the result is either have everyone squeeze into standard class like sardines or some have to go in first. You might like to check with your TOC - my line (FCC) regard it as first class if it's advertised in the timetable, otherwise it's usable by anyone. Anyone holding a first class ticket wouldn't aim to board such a train anyway (though it's probably a TOC specific thing). I regularly used the one train in the morning and two in the evening which are formed of 317 units carrying first class accomodation which were not timetable-advertised with no issues, it was generally the difference between getting a seat and not getting a seat. There is sometimes a discussion with the inexperienced RPI's but once they've checked it out they politely come back and accept standard tickets (with the "ooh I've just come" look wiped from their faces). Regards, Dave |
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those days) and I regularly upgraded to First - if I had time I would
do it at the ticket office or if the train was busy I would sit in first and pay the excess fare - definately only the difference between You can do this if you have a normal ticket, but not a season ticket. If you have a season ticket you are treated as a fare-dodger and they will likely withdraw the season ticket at the same time for inappropriate use. The conditions of carriage state the ticket upgrade must be purchased before the journey begins if you have a season. Regards, Dave |
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