On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:14:00 +0000, Tony Polson wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:11:11 GMT, Sky Rider
wrote:
Recently I've noticed that a mixture of automatic and manual ticket
gates are being installed at City Thameslink. What I'd like to know is:
1 - why the gates at the Holborn Viaduct end are installed in a position
such that one of the ticket office windows is subsequently located in
the 'paid-area' of the station (once the gateline goes live),


For payment of excess fares? Such windows are common.

The one at Leeds usually has a long queue in front of it. This is
principally due to it being physically impossible for a guard to cope
adequately with ticket sales on heavily-laden suburban trains with
frequent stops.

--
Regards

Mike

mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet

"Roland Perry" wrote:

Peter Masson remarked:
The passenger may have started at a station where the ticket office was
not
open. If he had purchased a PTT he will not be liable for a penalty fare,
but will have to exchange the PTT for the appropriate ticket. Trains which
serve City Thameslink are DOO, so it is not normally possible to exchange
a
PTT for a ticket on the train.

Yes, that's a possibility, but for a tiny minority of passengers. I expect
the rest will be asked to pay a penalty fare.

Really? The excess fare window at my local station (Barking) does a brisk
trade in ticket sales, and it is evident that few questions are asked,
despite both c2c and London Underground operating a Penalty Fare scheme in
this area.

Chris

Sky Rider wrote:

Visiting the British Museum?

It was a visit to the University of London (near SOAS) as part of a Modern
Languauges A-Level course.

Erm... SOAS *is* part of the University of London! Was it Senate House?

Chris Read wrote:

Yes, that's a possibility, but for a tiny minority of passengers. I
expect the rest will be asked to pay a penalty fare.

Really? The excess fare window at my local station (Barking) does a brisk
trade in ticket sales, and it is evident that few questions are asked,
despite both c2c and London Underground operating a Penalty Fare scheme in
this area.

But Silverlink doesn't - few if any of the Gospel Oak-Barking stations have
ticket machines and at peak hours the trains are too packed for
sellers/inspectors to make their way along.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:31:51 -0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 16:38:42 on
Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Peter Masson remarked:
It is usual, these days, to have a ticket office window on the "wrong"
side of the barriers... it allows people who don't have tickets for
the journey they've just made to buy one so they can leave the
station.

Really? I thought the practice was to demand a penalty fare from such
individuals (as Cherie discovered).

The passenger may have started at a station where the ticket office was
not
open. If he had purchased a PTT he will not be liable for a penalty
fare,
but will have to exchange the PTT for the appropriate ticket. Trains
which
serve City Thameslink are DOO, so it is not normally possible to
exchange a
PTT for a ticket on the train.

Yes, that's a possibility, but for a tiny minority of passengers. I
expect the rest will be asked to pay a penalty fare.

You are a Doubting Thomas aren't you! When me and my mate visited our
girlfriends in Radlett, we would ALWAYS buy a 5p PTT on the way home. And
we were the shyest of shysters going. Unfortunately, the ticket office at
West Hampstead was always shut as well. C'est la vie! 5p or the risk of a
PF? Your choice.

--
Fig

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
Erm... SOAS *is* part of the University of London!
I know that, except that I didn't know whether the particular building I
went to was SOAS territory or not.
Was it Senate House?
Yes - that's the one.

In message , at 19:22:33 on
Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Chris Read remarked:
Yes, that's a possibility, but for a tiny minority of passengers. I expect
the rest will be asked to pay a penalty fare.

Really?

Yes, the "possibility" referred to above is the passenger boarding at a
station with the need to get a PTT and then needing to exit at a
FCC/Thameslink station (and therefore needing an excess fares window
inside the barrier line).

Compared to people who deliberately boarded somewhere without a ticket
(or bought short) and then try to buy a ticket at the destination when
they discover a barrier line.

The excess fare window at my local station (Barking) does a brisk
trade in ticket sales, and it is evident that few questions are asked,
despite both c2c and London Underground operating a Penalty Fare scheme in
this area.

So they have a less aggressive policy than FCC (probably due to the
different culture at a joint LUL/NR station).
--
Roland Perry

In message op.tmt5t6tvm4iaeb@dell, at 23:21:32 on Sat, 27 Jan 2007,
Fig remarked:
You are a Doubting Thomas aren't you! When me and my mate visited our
girlfriends in Radlett, we would ALWAYS buy a 5p PTT on the way home.
And we were the shyest of shysters going. Unfortunately, the ticket
office at West Hampstead was always shut as well. C'est la vie! 5p or
the risk of a PF? Your choice.

I agree that some stations on the Thameslink line have been very lightly
policed in the past. I regularly used City Thameslink (during the
working day) and maybe had a ticket check (manual, obviously) at most
one time in ten.

However, the discussion here has arisen because the Thameslink is now
under FCC's control and they are adding gatelines at several stations,
and have a much stronger reputation for revenue protection.

I went through Luton Airport Parkway earlier this week, and it had
several staff manning the barriers, including well after the evening
rush (I had to ask one to retrieve my ticket after the barrier ate it,
and I needed it for my expenses).
--
Roland Perry

Sky Rider wrote:

Erm... SOAS *is* part of the University of London!
I know that, except that I didn't know whether the particular building I
went to was SOAS territory or not.

Was it Senate House?
Yes - that's the one.

Senate House isn't really "SOAS territory" any more than Birkbeck is. It's
owned by the central university, with several central institutes based in
it.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 01:11:11PM +0000, Sky Rider wrote:

2 - have they installed enough gates at both ends of the station
(available space permitting) to avoid a repeat of the peak-hour crush at
Farringdon?

At least when I've used City Thameslink it's not been particularly busy.
This is normally at the end of the morning peak, at a time when London
Bridge (for example) is heaving.

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