Recently I've noticed that a mixture of automatic and manual ticket
gates are being installed at City Thameslink. What I'd like to know is:
1 - why the gates at the Holborn Viaduct end are installed in a position
such that one of the ticket office windows is subsequently located in
the 'paid-area' of the station (once the gateline goes live), and;
2 - have they installed enough gates at both ends of the station
(available space permitting) to avoid a repeat of the peak-hour crush at
Farringdon?

"Sky Rider" wrote in message
...
Recently I've noticed that a mixture of automatic and manual ticket
gates are being installed at City Thameslink. What I'd like to know
is:
1 - why the gates at the Holborn Viaduct end are installed in a
position such that one of the ticket office windows is subsequently
located in the 'paid-area' of the station (once the gateline goes
live), and;

It is usual, these days, to have a ticket office window on the "wrong"
side of the barriers... it allows people who don't have tickets for
the journey they've just made to buy one so they can leave the
station.

Matt Wheeler wrote:
It is usual, these days, to have a ticket office window on the "wrong"
side of the barriers... it allows people who don't have tickets for
the journey they've just made to buy one so they can leave the
station.

That's a valid point - come to think of it, now I can remember when a
teacher of mine bought some GroupSave CDRs for herself and a sizeable
group of 6th form students (me included) in Harpenden and took us
straight to Russell Square tube station with those very tickets (without
passing through any ticket gatelines on the way of course). We had to
wait a little while while she tried to get tickets to get us through the
exit gateline.

In message
Sky Rider wrote:

Matt Wheeler wrote:
It is usual, these days, to have a ticket office window on the "wrong"
side of the barriers... it allows people who don't have tickets for
the journey they've just made to buy one so they can leave the
station.

That's a valid point - come to think of it, now I can remember when a
teacher of mine bought some GroupSave CDRs for herself and a sizeable
group of 6th form students (me included) in Harpenden and took us
straight to Russell Square tube station with those very tickets (without
passing through any ticket gatelines on the way of course). We had to
wait a little while while she tried to get tickets to get us through the
exit gateline.

Visiting the British Museum?

--
Graeme Wall
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Graeme Wall wrote:
Visiting the British Museum?

It was a visit to the University of London (near SOAS) as part of a
Modern Languauges A-Level course.

Sky Rider wrote:

Visiting the British Museum?

It was a visit to the University of London (near SOAS) as part of a Modern
Languauges A-Level course.

Erm... SOAS *is* part of the University of London! Was it Senate House?

In message , at 13:21:09 on Sat, 27
Jan 2007, Matt Wheeler remarked:
It is usual, these days, to have a ticket office window on the "wrong"
side of the barriers... it allows people who don't have tickets for
the journey they've just made to buy one so they can leave the
station.

Really? I thought the practice was to demand a penalty fare from such
individuals (as Cherie discovered).
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 13:21:09 on Sat, 27
Jan 2007, Matt Wheeler remarked:
It is usual, these days, to have a ticket office window on the "wrong"
side of the barriers... it allows people who don't have tickets for
the journey they've just made to buy one so they can leave the
station.

Really? I thought the practice was to demand a penalty fare from such
individuals (as Cherie discovered).

The passenger may have started at a station where the ticket office was not
open. If he had purchased a PTT he will not be liable for a penalty fare,
but will have to exchange the PTT for the appropriate ticket. Trains which
serve City Thameslink are DOO, so it is not normally possible to exchange a
PTT for a ticket on the train.

Peter

In message , at 16:38:42 on
Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Peter Masson remarked:
It is usual, these days, to have a ticket office window on the "wrong"
side of the barriers... it allows people who don't have tickets for
the journey they've just made to buy one so they can leave the
station.

Really? I thought the practice was to demand a penalty fare from such
individuals (as Cherie discovered).

The passenger may have started at a station where the ticket office was not
open. If he had purchased a PTT he will not be liable for a penalty fare,
but will have to exchange the PTT for the appropriate ticket. Trains which
serve City Thameslink are DOO, so it is not normally possible to exchange a
PTT for a ticket on the train.

Yes, that's a possibility, but for a tiny minority of passengers. I
expect the rest will be asked to pay a penalty fare.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote:

Peter Masson remarked:
The passenger may have started at a station where the ticket office was
not
open. If he had purchased a PTT he will not be liable for a penalty fare,
but will have to exchange the PTT for the appropriate ticket. Trains which
serve City Thameslink are DOO, so it is not normally possible to exchange
a
PTT for a ticket on the train.

Yes, that's a possibility, but for a tiny minority of passengers. I expect
the rest will be asked to pay a penalty fare.

Really? The excess fare window at my local station (Barking) does a brisk
trade in ticket sales, and it is evident that few questions are asked,
despite both c2c and London Underground operating a Penalty Fare scheme in
this area.

Chris