On Feb 22, 10:03 am, John Hearns wrote:
Boltar wrote:
How exactly does someone in a wheelchair get out and push? Or are that
always supposed to rely on good samaritans to help or take a friend
along everywhere?

Your replies on this thread really aren't showing you in a good light.

You mean I don't toe the politically correct party line? Tough. You're
confusing me with someone who gives a damn what other people think of
me.

Disabled people get around this city every day - by power of their own
muscles, electric traction or the help of parents, friends or carers.
And they're on your precious Tube system and buses. The very thought of it.

Good luck to them. Though if its such a breeze I'd suggest they try
the southbound northern line at kings X at around 8.30am in the
morning.
No lift? Packed platforms? Full trains that even able bodied can't get
on half the time? Whats the problem?

There - has he disapperared in a puff of incandescant rage yet then?

More like a rolling of the eyes as people ignore reality in
transparently desperate attempts to get right-on brownie points.

B2003

Boltar wrote:


More like a rolling of the eyes as people ignore reality in
transparently desperate attempts to get right-on brownie points.

No search for brownie points.
Just pointing out to you that disabled people travel all over the London
transport network - Tube, rail, bus, DLR, taxis every day.
Whether you like it or not, whether or not you personally have seen them,
and whether or not your oh-so-important journey to work means you
wouldn't give them a bit of room at the rush hour.

On Feb 22, 5:44 pm, John Hearns wrote:
Boltar wrote:

More like a rolling of the eyes as people ignore reality in
transparently desperate attempts to get right-on brownie points.

No search for brownie points.
Just pointing out to you that disabled people travel all over the London
transport network - Tube, rail, bus, DLR, taxis every day.
Whether you like it or not, whether or not you personally have seen them,
and whether or not your oh-so-important journey to work means you
wouldn't give them a bit of room at the rush hour.

It wouldn't be a case of whether I would , but whether I could. Have
you ever travelled on the tube in the rush hour? For someone in a
wheelchair to get on a packed rush hour train probably about 2 or 3 or
even 4 people would have to get off to make enough room. I can't
really see that happening can you/

B2003

Boltar wrote:


It wouldn't be a case of whether I would , but whether I could. Have
you ever travelled on the tube in the rush hour?

I heard on the Internet that the rush hour Tubes in London are too
packed with wheelchairs for you to get on.


(And why the hell should I justify myself to you? I've travelled to work
in London via Tube, rail, bus, bike and river boat).

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, John Hearns wrote:

Boltar wrote:

[snip]

(And why the hell should I justify myself to you? I've travelled to work
in London via Tube, rail, bus, bike and river boat).

What, not space hopper?

tom

--
information distribution, vox humana, deviation, handle, feed, l.g. **

Boltar wrote:
On Feb 22, 10:03 am, John Hearns wrote:
Disabled people get around this city every day - by power of their own
muscles, electric traction or the help of parents, friends or carers.
And they're on your precious Tube system and buses. The very thought of it.

Good luck to them. Though if its such a breeze I'd suggest they try
the southbound northern line at kings X at around 8.30am in the
morning.

Why? I really don't understand your insistence that disabled people need
to use the tube at peak hours in the busiest stations or it doesn't
count. The majority (55 percent) of LU journeys are off-peak. Even if it
were impossible for wheelchair users to use the Tube in the peak, which
it isn't, there would still be 102 hours a week they could use the Tube
off-peak.

At least we've progressed from your previous statements that
wheelchair-people don't travel by LU at all.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Feb 22, 5:58 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On Feb 22, 10:03 am, John Hearns wrote:
Disabled people get around this city every day - by power of their own
muscles, electric traction or the help of parents, friends or carers.
And they're on your precious Tube system and buses. The very thought of it.

Good luck to them. Though if its such a breeze I'd suggest they try
the southbound northern line at kings X at around 8.30am in the
morning.

Why? I really don't understand your insistence that disabled people need
to use the tube at peak hours in the busiest stations or it doesn't

Because if they're using the tube as a daily method of transport and
not as once-a-month day out (in which case why waste money on disabled
access, just pay for a dial-a-ride taxi) then they'll more than likely
be travelling in the rush hour unless they've managed to get special
dispensation from their boss to work different hours to everyone
else.

count. The majority (55 percent) of LU journeys are off-peak. Even if it
were impossible for wheelchair users to use the Tube in the peak, which
it isn't, there would still be 102 hours a week they could use the Tube
off-peak.

I never said it was impossible. I suspect it would be bloody hard in
central london though they'd probably be ok out in the sticks.

At least we've progressed from your previous statements that
wheelchair-people don't travel by LU at all.

I never said they didn't use the tube , I just said I'd not personally
seen them and given I use the tube twice a day 5 days a week I'd have
thought I'd have seen at least one or two in the last few years if
they were as common as you imply.

B2003

Boltar wrote:

Because if they're using the tube as a daily method of transport and
not as once-a-month day out (in which case why waste money on disabled
access, just pay for a dial-a-ride taxi) then they'll more than likely
be travelling in the rush hour unless they've managed to get special
dispensation from their boss to work different hours to everyone
else.
This argument is going round in a circle.
DLR fully accessible, as is Jubilee Line extension. More and more Tube
stations are becoming accessible as they are refitted.
Which means more and more wheelchair users can use the system - and do.
More stations opened up equals more journeys being made. Its called a
'network'.

John Hearns wrote:
Boltar wrote:

Because if they're using the tube as a daily method of transport and
not as once-a-month day out (in which case why waste money on
disabled access, just pay for a dial-a-ride taxi) then they'll more
than likely be travelling in the rush hour unless they've managed to
get special dispensation from their boss to work different hours to
everyone else.

This argument is going round in a circle.

Of course, arguments with trolls tend to!

On Feb 23, 11:15 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
This argument is going round in a circle.

Of course, arguments with trolls tend to!

Ah , some things never change on usenet. One mans opinion is another
mans trolling. Still , being called a troll is better than something
out of the PC book of "..ist" words.

B2003