On Feb 22, 5:58 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On Feb 22, 10:03 am, John Hearns wrote:
Disabled people get around this city every day - by power of their own
muscles, electric traction or the help of parents, friends or carers.
And they're on your precious Tube system and buses. The very thought of it.

Good luck to them. Though if its such a breeze I'd suggest they try
the southbound northern line at kings X at around 8.30am in the
morning.

Why? I really don't understand your insistence that disabled people need
to use the tube at peak hours in the busiest stations or it doesn't

Because if they're using the tube as a daily method of transport and
not as once-a-month day out (in which case why waste money on disabled
access, just pay for a dial-a-ride taxi) then they'll more than likely
be travelling in the rush hour unless they've managed to get special
dispensation from their boss to work different hours to everyone
else.

count. The majority (55 percent) of LU journeys are off-peak. Even if it
were impossible for wheelchair users to use the Tube in the peak, which
it isn't, there would still be 102 hours a week they could use the Tube
off-peak.

I never said it was impossible. I suspect it would be bloody hard in
central london though they'd probably be ok out in the sticks.

At least we've progressed from your previous statements that
wheelchair-people don't travel by LU at all.

I never said they didn't use the tube , I just said I'd not personally
seen them and given I use the tube twice a day 5 days a week I'd have
thought I'd have seen at least one or two in the last few years if
they were as common as you imply.

B2003

Boltar wrote:

Because if they're using the tube as a daily method of transport and
not as once-a-month day out (in which case why waste money on disabled
access, just pay for a dial-a-ride taxi) then they'll more than likely
be travelling in the rush hour unless they've managed to get special
dispensation from their boss to work different hours to everyone
else.
This argument is going round in a circle.
DLR fully accessible, as is Jubilee Line extension. More and more Tube
stations are becoming accessible as they are refitted.
Which means more and more wheelchair users can use the system - and do.
More stations opened up equals more journeys being made. Its called a
'network'.

John Hearns wrote:
Boltar wrote:

Because if they're using the tube as a daily method of transport and
not as once-a-month day out (in which case why waste money on
disabled access, just pay for a dial-a-ride taxi) then they'll more
than likely be travelling in the rush hour unless they've managed to
get special dispensation from their boss to work different hours to
everyone else.

This argument is going round in a circle.

Of course, arguments with trolls tend to!

On Feb 23, 11:15 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
This argument is going round in a circle.

Of course, arguments with trolls tend to!

Ah , some things never change on usenet. One mans opinion is another
mans trolling. Still , being called a troll is better than something
out of the PC book of "..ist" words.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:58 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
I really don't understand your insistence that disabled people need
to use the tube at peak hours in the busiest stations or it doesn't

Because if they're using the tube as a daily method of transport and
not as once-a-month day out (in which case why waste money on disabled
access, just pay for a dial-a-ride taxi) then they'll more than likely
be travelling in the rush hour unless they've managed to get special
dispensation from their boss to work different hours to everyone
else.

Not "everyone" works hours that require traveling in the peaks. Someone
who has difficulty traveling in the peaks would be more likely to seek a
job that did not require it.
--
Michael Hoffman

In message .com,
Boltar writes
I never said they didn't use the tube , I just said I'd not personally
seen them and given I use the tube twice a day 5 days a week I'd have
thought I'd have seen at least one or two in the last few years if
they were as common as you imply.

I spot a lot more Bromptons now I've got my own one. Sometimes you don't
spot things you aren't interested in. They definitely exist!

The other thing is, if one is wheelchair-bound and gets on the tube out
in the sticks (where it isn't so busy), it doesn't matter if the train
get busy, as long as others move aside to let the person off - and here
I think that umbrellas could help even if it isn't raining :P

--
Paul G
Typing from Barking