"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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David Hansen wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:06:50 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry
wrote this:-

It would probably be more secret. And it depends what the risk is. If it
was a dirty biological bomb in London, and a riot amongst the populace
who were being prevented from leaving for fear of infecting the rest of
the country, it could well be the best of the three options.

The purple powder incident in the Westminster parliament
demonstrated the difference between plans and reality. The bods
should have been kept in the chamber to prevent potential
contamination of others, but they left.

How one would prevent millions of people leaving London is beyond
me.



There was a plan to clear a big open space all the way round London that
could be patrolled by armed police and military units that would prevent
any
one trying to get out from the inner zone. Would have cost many millions
of
pounds to put into practice.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

they went ahead with this plan but substituted a solid wall of stationary
vehicles for the clear space and gave it he code name "M25"


steveb

In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:01:59 on Fri,
23 Feb 2007, Andrew Clark
remarked:

No-one knows where most of the Royals are anyway.

In normal times it's published well in advance.

hijacking a train and seizing exclusive use of part of the network for
the necessary time.

But if mass panic has hit London, the Tube network will not be running
anyway.

Indeed. It will have been closed for normal traffic for some time. Which
is why it's easily available for various (not just Royal Family) special
operations.

given that there was only supposed to be a "four minute warning", how long
is your 'some time'? Two minutes, maybe?

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"Roland Perry" wrote

Indeed. It will have been closed for normal traffic for some time. Which
is why it's easily available for various (not just Royal Family) special
operations.

But in any sort of mass attack, the Tubes are going to be paralysed by (a)
general panic; (b) absenteeism of key workers; (c) breakdown of supporting
infrastructure (communications, signalling, electricity) consequent on the
foregoing.

Assuming that the network will be lying empty but functional seems very
naive.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, John Rowland wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:

Hasn't the Moscow Metro got a few "unadvertised" sidings in the
vicinity of various government buildings ?

Moscow has a 4-line secret metro, longer than the public Metro....
allegedly.

There's apparently a whole secret city under Belgrade. So i heard.

tom

--
information distribution, vox humana, deviation, handle, feed, l.g. **

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:49:20 -0000, "Andrew Clark"
wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote

Indeed. It will have been closed for normal traffic for some time. Which
is why it's easily available for various (not just Royal Family) special
operations.

But in any sort of mass attack, the Tubes are going to be paralysed by (a)
general panic; (b) absenteeism of key workers; (c) breakdown of supporting
infrastructure (communications, signalling, electricity) consequent on the
foregoing.


(d) over running engineering works by Metronet.


Tim

"Andrew Clark" wrote

But in any sort of mass attack, the Tubes are going to be paralysed by (a)
general panic; (b) absenteeism of key workers; (c) breakdown of supporting
infrastructure (communications, signalling, electricity) consequent on the
foregoing.

None of that applies to helo or road evacuation. And I bet there is a
gas-tight limo somewhere....

In any sort of mass attack the road network would be paralysed by general
gridlock, which police outriders would be unlikely to be able to carve a way
through for a VIP (general gridlock happened following 9/11 and 7/7). So
helos it is.

Peter

In message , at 11:12:05 on Fri,
23 Feb 2007, Graeme Wall remarked:
All right I'll leave you with the fantasy that the Royal family use public
transport just like other people if it pleases you.

The significant development is they way they now sometimes use trains
and planes on scheduled services, rather than exclusively using their
own private planes and trains. If you want to categorise that as "not
using public transport", then I'm afraid we must agree to disagree.

It's a good PR exercise, and as you have demonstrated, does seem to have
fooled some people.

Are you suggesting that they aren't, in fact, using scheduled public
transport at all?
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 11:48:17 on
Fri, 23 Feb 2007, charles remarked:
hijacking a train and seizing exclusive use of part of the network for
the necessary time.

But if mass panic has hit London, the Tube network will not be running
anyway.

Indeed. It will have been closed for normal traffic for some time. Which
is why it's easily available for various (not just Royal Family) special
operations.

given that there was only supposed to be a "four minute warning", how long
is your 'some time'? Two minutes, maybe?

I don't know why you think my scenario involves a surprise nuclear
attack. Either a period of "increasing civil unrest" measured in days,
or a specific and concentrated non-nuclear attack several miles away
earlier that day.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 11:49:20 on Fri,
23 Feb 2007, Andrew Clark
remarked:
Indeed. It will have been closed for normal traffic for some time. Which
is why it's easily available for various (not just Royal Family) special
operations.

But in any sort of mass attack, the Tubes are going to be paralysed by (a)
general panic; (b) absenteeism of key workers; (c) breakdown of supporting
infrastructure (communications, signalling, electricity) consequent on the
foregoing.

Assuming that the network will be lying empty but functional seems very
naive.

It only needs to be functioning enough to handle one battery loco and a
carriage. No signals required.
--
Roland Perry

In message
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:12:05 on Fri,
23 Feb 2007, Graeme Wall remarked:
All right I'll leave you with the fantasy that the Royal family use
public transport just like other people if it pleases you.

The significant development is they way they now sometimes use trains
and planes on scheduled services, rather than exclusively using their
own private planes and trains. If you want to categorise that as "not
using public transport", then I'm afraid we must agree to disagree.

It's a good PR exercise, and as you have demonstrated, does seem to have
fooled some people.

Are you suggesting that they aren't, in fact, using scheduled public
transport at all?

I'm not suggesting anything.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html