"Roland Perry" wrote

In the depot. The first thing you'd have done is cleared the running
tracks.

Without traction power? And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely?
The Royal Household?

In message , Alistair Gunn
writes
You may debate it as much as you like, I can remember when Trident was
being negotiated with the Merkins to replace Polaris, and it was sold to
us as being a steal at HALF PRICE, and hidden away in smaller print,
(the sort of thing that Newsnight picks up) was the Merkins had right of
veto.

So "you remember" the "small print" ... Care to quote a source where the
rest of us can read it?
I was pointing out that Trident was being trumpeted as a major coup,
getting Trident at half price, however both the papers and news media
reported the bits that government spin didn't, that we didn't have real
control. It was a figure of speech. I don't ask you to believe it,
be gullible if you want.
--
Clive.

In message , Alistair Gunn
writes
There's a slight difference between a SLBM with a "bucket of instant
sunshine" on the front end, and a hard-kill ABM though. It's not like
the USA is suggesting that they (re)install something like Thor.
Whilst this may be true, at least one news channel was pointing out that
debris (which could be a war head) could fall to earth over this country
if that's where "contact" between the missiles took place. No, I can't
find you the small print for that, but for News channels read any of
Sky, BBC, CNN, Euronews, France 24, Russia today.
--
Clive.

In message , Andrew Clark
writes
Without traction power? And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely?
The Royal Household?
It used to be a sackable offence to leave any train standing on a line
BR or LT, so unless rules have changed, all trains will have a driver on
board and the depot is most likely to be where their car is to get home.
--
Clive.

Brian Watson wrote:
"Alistair Gunn" wrote in message
. ..

People are always claiming that the UK Tridents can't be fired
without the USA authorisation (or even that only the USA controls
them), but they never seem to be able to provide any evidence for
this (or any evidence as to why the UK would be foolish enough to
sign up to such a deal).

Might be something to do with incurring HUGE debts to the US during
WW1 and the rematch between 1939 and '45.

Those debts were paid off in December.

"Clive Coleman." wrote
It used to be a sackable offence to leave any train standing on a line
BR or LT, so unless rules have changed, all trains will have a driver on
board and the depot is most likely to be where their car is to get home.

But an electric train stranded out the line with no power is not going to go
anywhere, whatever the signals say.

Peter

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:33:46 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry
wrote this:-

How one would prevent millions of people leaving London is beyond
me.

Luckily we don't have to rely on you to do this.

Nice try. However, people could walk, as they have done before in
London and New York.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:10:01 +0000 someone who may be Graeme Wall
wrote this:-

How one would prevent millions of people leaving London is beyond
me.

There was a plan to clear a big open space all the way round London that
could be patrolled by armed police and military units that would prevent any
one trying to get out from the inner zone. Would have cost many millions of
pounds to put into practice.

It would take some time to organise. By the time it had been
organised I suspect many would have left.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

In message , Peter Masson
writes
But an electric train stranded out the line with no power is not going to go
anywhere, whatever the signals say.
Why should it have no power? If all the electrical staff deserted, as
long as they didn't throw any switches, juice would still be on
throughout the network.
--
Clive.

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...

"Clive Coleman." wrote
It used to be a sackable offence to leave any train standing on a line
BR or LT, so unless rules have changed, all trains will have a driver on
board and the depot is most likely to be where their car is to get home.

But an electric train stranded out the line with no power is not going to
go
anywhere, whatever the signals say.

Peter

And quite probably because there is no traction supply there will be no
supply for the signals either. Also most underground lines also rely on
compressed air to operate the trainstops and point machines. All these
supplies come from substations dotted along the line. No supply in = no
supply out. Most if not all stations now have a UPS back up system to
supply lighting CCTV and PA systems for about 1 hour. After that runs
down, complete and utter blackness.

Bruce