On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:47:59 -0800, Mizter T wrote:
Dare I suggest that your sensible and boring helicopter plan doesn't
properly take account of peoples desire for intrigue and high drama?

It does when the helicopters are stored underground on high alert, and in
the event of them being needed a whole section of lawn outside Buckingham
Palace slides back to reveal them.

All installed last year by a crew dressed to look like members of Time
Team, of course.

Bill Again wrote:

"MIG" wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 7:39 pm, "Mizter T" wrote:

However I wonder whether it is true. If you take a look at the
Victoria line's route as marked on the central London bus map then it
is shown as passing under the Buck House garden but not the building
itself - this makes sense as the line needs to turn so as to be
aligned to run southeast from Victoria station towards Pimlico and
Vauxhall.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/centlond.pdf



I think the alignments in the bus maps bear little relation to the
geography. They are just showing that an Underground line links the
places. Look how they've drawn the Bakerloo, which we know exactly
follows all the kinks of Haymarket and Regent Street.

I've got no opinion on where the Victoria line goes though.



That's interesting. I took a look at the bus map and was surprised to see
the Vic line shown as passing to the west of Buck house. As I recall it, the
maps of the time showed it passing to the east of the palace. It only
managed to do this by taking a big curve (to the east). Had it not done so
it would have passed more or less under Buck house.


There are maps on the TfL Journeyplanner website that I suppose show the
correct routes of the tubes but I don't think they are directly
downloadable. However, to get one for example over the Buckingham Palace
area you can go to http://www.journeyplanner.org select for example
origin, Place of interest, St James's Palace and destination Place of
interest, Buckingham Palace and search. You will get a suggested path to
walk and when clicking "view" or "view selected" you get to a detailed
page with two blue buttons, "start map" and "end map" which in turn link
to two dynamically created PDF documents with parts of the map with the
suggested path overlayed.

At that maps the Victoria Line runs east of the palace, just around the
Queen Victoria memorial.

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:40:09 +0000, steveb wrote:
I believe the hamsters are shortly to be replaced by a selection of those
1.7M humans who signed the internet petition against road pricing thus
daring to defy the mighty (and all seeing) Bliar

He can pay for my flight back to Blighty, then. Preferably not in hamster
class.

On Feb 21, 10:02 pm, Jules
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:47:59 -0800, Mizter T wrote:
Dare I suggest that your sensible and boring helicopter plan doesn't
properly take account of peoples desire for intrigue and high drama?

It does when the helicopters are stored underground on high alert, and in
the event of them being needed a whole section of lawn outside Buckingham
Palace slides back to reveal them.

All installed last year by a crew dressed to look like members of Time
Team, of course.

Not forgetting that the Royal Family are all shapeshifting aliens
according to David Icke. There's probably a few of their craft stored
around the place for such an eventuality.

Neill

"Olof Lagerkvist" wrote in message
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Bill Again wrote:

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On Feb 21, 7:39 pm, "Mizter T" wrote:

However I wonder whether it is true. If you take a look at the
Victoria line's route as marked on the central London bus map then it
is shown as passing under the Buck House garden but not the building
itself - this makes sense as the line needs to turn so as to be
aligned to run southeast from Victoria station towards Pimlico and
Vauxhall.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/centlond.pdf



I think the alignments in the bus maps bear little relation to the
geography. They are just showing that an Underground line links the
places. Look how they've drawn the Bakerloo, which we know exactly
follows all the kinks of Haymarket and Regent Street.

I've got no opinion on where the Victoria line goes though.



That's interesting. I took a look at the bus map and was surprised to see
the Vic line shown as passing to the west of Buck house. As I recall it,
the maps of the time showed it passing to the east of the palace. It only
managed to do this by taking a big curve (to the east). Had it not done
so it would have passed more or less under Buck house.


There are maps on the TfL Journeyplanner website that I suppose show the
correct routes of the tubes but I don't think they are directly
downloadable. However, to get one for example over the Buckingham Palace
area you can go to http://www.journeyplanner.org select for example
origin, Place of interest, St James's Palace and destination Place of
interest, Buckingham Palace and search. You will get a suggested path to
walk and when clicking "view" or "view selected" you get to a detailed
page with two blue buttons, "start map" and "end map" which in turn link
to two dynamically created PDF documents with parts of the map with the
suggested path overlayed.

At that maps the Victoria Line runs east of the palace, just around the
Queen Victoria memorial.

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof


Well found! And these maps show the line running more or less down the
eastern edge of Green Park, passing round the front of Buck house and then
curving round to Victoria. It would seem to be simpler to go diagonally
across Green Park, under the palace and straight to Victoria. Enter Phil
from the right - "not bloody likely!"

Bill

"Bill Again" wrote in message

"Olof Lagerkvist" wrote in message
...
There are maps on the TfL Journeyplanner website that I suppose show
the correct routes of the tubes but I don't think they are directly
downloadable. However, to get one for example over the Buckingham
Palace area you can go to http://www.journeyplanner.org select for
example origin, Place of interest, St James's Palace and destination
Place of interest, Buckingham Palace and search. You will get a
suggested path to walk and when clicking "view" or "view selected"
you get to a detailed page with two blue buttons, "start map" and
"end map" which in turn link to two dynamically created PDF
documents with parts of the map with the suggested path overlayed.

At that maps the Victoria Line runs east of the palace, just around
the Queen Victoria memorial.

--
Olof Lagerkvist
ICQ: 724451
Web: http://here.is/olof


Well found! And these maps show the line running more or less down the
eastern edge of Green Park, passing round the front of Buck house and
then curving round to Victoria. It would seem to be simpler to go
diagonally across Green Park, under the palace and straight to
Victoria. Enter Phil from the right - "not bloody likely!"

I think it's pretty unlikely that anyone would propose running tube
tunnels directly under Buck House, Downing Street, Westminster Abbey,
the houses of Parliament, etc. The Jubilee Line came close at
Westminster, and that caused plenty of worries.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:27:04 GMT, "Bruce Varney"
wrote:


"asdf" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:12:03 +0000, Ben wrote:

There could well be a small passageway between buck house and perhaps
the nearest
tube station however. This sort of thing certainly isn't unheard of.

In the past I have speculated that such a passage exists between the
palace grounds and Hyde Park Corner station. It is pure speculation,
based on the proximity (and the fact that no other stations are anywhere
near as close).

Down Street is nearer, and also benefits from not having passengers or
maintenance staff poking about.

Wouldn't such a thing be common knowledge among the maintenance people
who walk the line, or are they well trained in not noticing things.

Perhaps you'll find that none of them are ever told to walk Down
Street Siding, which is said to continue to Buckingham Palace.

There is a passage at the end of Down Street siding which leads on to the
crossover between the Eastbound & Westbound Piccadilly Line at Hyde Park
Corner. This is used as access for Train Operators to and from a train
that has been stabled in Down Street Siding.

There are no other passageways or so called secret tunnels connecting the
Underground with Buck' House.

A passage to the old War Office bunker down the road is a more likely
candidate isn't it ?

On 21 Feb, 14:20, "Brian Watson" wrote:
A contributor to The Robert Elms Show on BBC Radio London has just claimed
there are secret underground train lines between Buckingham Palace and
various other London sites.

Nifty conspiracy theory, or fact?

Definitely fact as the system featured in a Rupert Bear annual which I
got one Christmas 40+ years ago. If I recollect correctly Rupert
(probably together with his friends Bill Badger and Algy Pug) entered
the system via a manhole in the road, descending by means of a spiral
staircase. Instead of trains there was a system of moving carpets
powered by steam-driven stationery engines controlled by "the backroom
boys". To locate the correct carpet there were several green doors
above each of which was a different destination board. Once through
the appropriate door, to activitate a carpet you selected and
depressed a start button on a panel and the resulting sudden
commencement of the carpet caused Rupert and his pals to assume
involuntarily a seated position on the carpet and off it went to
Nutwood where they emerged via another staircase and manhole.
Evidently the system of carpets and tunnels extends well beyond the
confines of London as one of the potential destinations which Rupert
Bear could have selected by entering a different green door was shown
as "Bootle Non-Stop".

Hope this helps

--
gordon

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:41:40 +0000, "Clive Coleman."
wrote:

In message .com, MIG
writes
Look how they've drawn the Bakerloo, which we know exactly
follows all the kinks of Haymarket and Regent Street.

I've got no opinion on where the Victoria line goes though.
I remember this item when the Victoria line was being built. It was
said that to compensate all the home owners for subsidence if anything
happened was so great that the roads were followed and houses were not
run under, but when the Vic. Line was built such was the cost that the
situation had reversed and it was cheaper to pay a subsidence bill than
follow street plans.

Early tube lines weren't very deep at all (IIRC the remnants of the
disused CSLR tunnels actually pass through some newer foundations) and
the relative lack of separation probably made subsidence claims more
likely to arise. The Victoria Line is generally somewhat deeper with a
far greater separation from buildings by undisturbed soil.

On 21 Feb 2007 10:00:33 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote:

snip

If you want to read about a Metro system that quite possibly does have
a secret line, as well as a supposed dual-purpose so it serves as a
link between military facilities, take a look at this unofficial site
about the Pyongyang Metro:
http://www.pyongyang-metro.com/index.html

Hasn't the Moscow Metro got a few "unadvertised" sidings in the
vicinity of various government buildings ?