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So we agree that they do use public transport, just not all varieties.

Not really, special arrangements are made, they get platform and lounge space
for themselves, the first class coach or section of cabin is for their use
only. That can hardly be sensibly referred to as using public transport in
the sense that everyone else does.


In the late 19th century, you could turn up at a station, proffer the
requisite amount, and have a carriage dedicated to yourself or even have
a special train run at your command. Is that public transport? After
all, it's open to any person able to pay the (documented) fare.

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
In article , Graeme Wall
writes
So we agree that they do use public transport, just not all varieties.

Not really, special arrangements are made, they get platform and lounge
space for themselves, the first class coach or section of cabin is for
their use only. That can hardly be sensibly referred to as using public
transport in the sense that everyone else does.


In the late 19th century, you could turn up at a station, proffer the
requisite amount, and have a carriage dedicated to yourself or even have
a special train run at your command. Is that public transport? After
all, it's open to any person able to pay the (documented) fare.


you could also have your own private station.

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In article , Graeme Wall
writes
So we agree that they do use public transport, just not all varieties.

Not really, special arrangements are made, they get platform and lounge
space for themselves, the first class coach or section of cabin is for
their use only. That can hardly be sensibly referred to as using public
transport in the sense that everyone else does.


In the late 19th century, you could turn up at a station, proffer the
requisite amount, and have a carriage dedicated to yourself or even have
a special train run at your command. Is that public transport? After
all, it's open to any person able to pay the (documented) fare.


Even now certain people can have a special train run for them if they pay the
appropriate charge.

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"Graeme Wall" wrote

Even now certain people can have a special train run for them if they pay

the
appropriate charge.

Anyone can, and the NRT (page 2651) even hints at how to go about it. It
suggests ten to fourteen weeks notice, whereas in Victorai times you could
approach the stationmaster, at least at a main station, and you'd be on your
way in your special train within the hour.

Peter


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"Graeme Wall" wrote

Even now certain people can have a special train run for them if they pay
the appropriate charge.

Anyone can, and the NRT (page 2651) even hints at how to go about it. It
suggests ten to fourteen weeks notice, whereas in Victorai times you could
approach the stationmaster, at least at a main station, and you'd be on
your way in your special train within the hour.


That's 'progress' for you!

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Even now certain people can have a special train run for them if they
pay the
appropriate charge.


BTDT - at no extra charge! Not recently though, about 1976 IIRC.

We were taking a party of 20 students to the Lakes. Change at
Lancaster. When the Barrow train rolled in to the platform it was wedged
and the guard told us not to even try to get on, but there was a relief
train behind, and he would get the connection on to Ravenglass held for
us at Barrow. He was right about the relief, but he forgot about the
connection at Barrow, and when we got there the station was deserted.
The driver who brought us from Lancaster had a word with his guard, who
knew our story, went into an office, came back a few minutes later and
told us to get back on the train. We arrived in Ravenglass in plenty of
time to make our connection onto La'al Ratty.

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Even now certain people can have a special train run for them if they
pay the
appropriate charge.


BTDT - at no extra charge! Not recently though, about 1976 IIRC.

We were taking a party of 20 students to the Lakes. Change at
Lancaster. When the Barrow train rolled in to the platform it was wedged
and the guard told us not to even try to get on, but there was a relief
train behind, and he would get the connection on to Ravenglass held for
us at Barrow. He was right about the relief, but he forgot about the
connection at Barrow, and when we got there the station was deserted.
The driver who brought us from Lancaster had a word with his guard, who
knew our story, went into an office, came back a few minutes later and
told us to get back on the train. We arrived in Ravenglass in plenty of
time to make our connection onto La'al Ratty.


Now that's service for you.

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Now that's service for you.


Yup! That's what we thought - especially when the driver raised the
blind between the cab and passenger part of the unit to give us a
panoramic view of the Cumbrian coastal area.

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David Jackson wrote:
Yup! That's what we thought - especially when the driver raised the
blind between the cab and passenger part of the unit to give us a
panoramic view of the Cumbrian coastal area.


Amusing juxtaposition of subject line and body text. :-)

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Cumbrian coastal area.


Amusing juxtaposition of subject line and body text. :-)


Just trying to please...

My small contribution brought a little civilisation into a thread about
the Metrollops. ;-))

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