In message , at 14:38:21 on Sat,
24 Feb 2007, Andrew Clark
remarked:
In the depot. The first thing you'd have done is cleared the running
tracks.

Without traction power?

Can you explain why the many references to battery locos have escaped
your attention?

And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely? The Royal Household?

That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote

Can you explain why the many references to battery locos have escaped your
attention?

Not all the rolling stock is battery operated, is it? I was referring to the
everyday clutter of hundreds of trains using the system.

That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.

You see, I think you have in mind some sort of orderly gradual transition
from normality to emergency, when the government announces a problem and TfL
responds by ordering all the LT staff to clear the system of rolling stock,
and generally closes it all down neatly.

I on the other hand don't think that any emergency likely to cause it
necessary to make an emergency covert evacuation of VIPS from London is
going to happen in such a way. Whether a missile strike, a dirty bomb or a
germ scare, the transition time is likely to be extremely short, either
minutes or a couple of hours, and tidying all the trains away to their
depots is simply not going to be a priority either for TfL or LT staff -
most of the latter will have other priorities. It might happen, of course,
but the strong likelihood is that it won't, and the system will be abandoned
in some state of disorder.

This being the case, no sensible planner is going to choose the Tube as a
route for VIP emergency evacuation: there is only a slim possibility that it
could be so used, and there are far more reliable methods available.

Incidentally, while LT is rightly proud of the transport continuity provided
in some areas of London during the Blitz, in the East End a very large
number of station staff, bus and train drivers and conductors abandoned
their posts under fire. That sort of precedent suggests continuity of public
transport service in London in an sudden-onset acute emergency cannot be
expected.

In message , Andrew Clark
writes
That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.

You see, I think you have in mind some sort of orderly gradual
transition from normality to emergency, when the government announces a
problem and TfL responds by ordering all the LT staff to clear the
system of rolling stock, and generally closes it all down neatly.

A good example of this was 7/7. Trains were abandoned all over the
network. It was a day or two before they'd all been rounded up and put
in their respective depots.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

In message , at 17:20:39 on Sat,
24 Feb 2007, Andrew Clark
remarked:

Can you explain why the many references to battery locos have escaped your
attention?

Not all the rolling stock is battery operated, is it? I was referring to the
everyday clutter of hundreds of trains using the system.

And I the special evacuation train.

That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.

You see, I think you have in mind some sort of orderly gradual transition
from normality to emergency,

Gradual enough, yes.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 14:38:21 on Sat, 24
Feb 2007, Andrew Clark remarked:
In the depot. The first thing you'd have done is cleared the running
tracks.

Without traction power?

Can you explain why the many references to battery locos have escaped your
attention?

Not much use in using battery loco's or any other type of loco's if you have
passenger trains on the main line that cannot move because of no power being
available. How long will it take for a small number of battery loco's to
drag thesse abandond trains out of the way?

And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely? The Royal Household?

That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.

How?

Roland Perry

In message , at 17:27:09 on
Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely? The Royal Household?

That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.

How?

You close the station gates at street level, then run all the trains to
the depot.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 17:27:09 on
Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely? The Royal Household?

That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.

How?

You close the station gates at street level, then run all the trains to
the depot.
--
Roland Perry

And what would you do if the train operators had abandoned the trains and
taken the keys with them?

Bruce Varney wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 17:27:09 on
Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Bruce Varney remarked:
And who would clear the rolling stock, precisely? The Royal Household?
That would have been done long before, when the lines were shut to the
public.
How?
You close the station gates at street level, then run all the trains to
the depot.
--
Roland Perry

And what would you do if the train operators had abandoned the trains and
taken the keys with them?



But do you seriously believe that the entire population of the UK would
continue to behave as normal, civilised people after all the
infrastructure has been destroyed beyond recognition. Mob rule etc
would be the order of the day. The best thing to hope for is that you
are at "ground zero" when things go seriously wrong
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney

In message , at 00:10:10 on Sun, 25 Feb
2007, Bruce Fletcher remarked:
But do you seriously believe that the entire population of the UK would
continue to behave as normal, civilised people after all the
infrastructure has been destroyed beyond recognition.

People keep trying to deflect the scenario to one of total destruction.
That's not the situation I had in mind. Nor did I expect a transition
from normal to chaos in half an hour.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote

People keep trying to deflect the scenario to one of total destruction.
That's not the situation I had in mind. Nor did I expect a transition from
normal to chaos in half an hour.

Then what scenario did you have in mind?