On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 05:17:16 +0000, asdf
wrote:

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:44:54 +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:

Not 100% certain but from the details given and what I've read I would
say he's been charged the right fare by "one" but issued the wrong
ticket. At present prices are zonal but tickets are issued from "a to b"
which means it should have said Goodmayes to Southall on it and not
U1234.

After a close reading of the NFM (and though at first I got the same
impression as Barry Salter) I think you're right here. Both tickets
are Train Tube Singles, but such a ticket issued to U1234 is only
valid for journeys that end at an LU/DLR station.

Having read the NFM details I'm sure I am correct.

This ticket only gives validity to Liv St and then onto the LU
network as far as zone 4.

To be pedantic, I don't think this is true, strictly speaking. I
reckon it would be valid for a journey such as: 'one' to Liverpool
Street; Tube to Victoria; Southern to Balham; Tube to Morden.

Sorry but I think you are wrong with this example. Victoria to Balham is
not interavailable so is in effect another TOC journey. I doubt very
much that the ticket would work the gates on the interchange at Victoria
or at Balham.

I appreciate the NFM cites the above link in an example but only for
tickets issued from London Terminals to U1234 - this is fine as it
covers Southern to Balham and then a continuation on LU to Morden.

A ticket purchaser would have to decide whether they wished to use NR
and then only LU to reach Balham or else buy a ticket from their origin
to Balham (NR) and then rebook to Morden. Other than a One Day
Travelcard I do not think there is a ticket that allows NR - LU - NR -
LU as a set of journey legs where the NR legs are not interavailable
with a LU service.

(Basically, by any combination of LU and NR within the zones on the
ticket, as long as you end up at an LU/DLR station. It may or may not
be hidden somewhere in some Conditions of Carriage that your route
also has to be "reasonable".)

The rules say "any permitted" route but subject to the differing basic
availabilities of NR Zonal and Train Tube Zonal products.

However, if your ticket started from a station outside the zones (e.g.
Chelmsford to U1234) then it *wouldn't* be a Train Tube Single, and
the usual pre-Jan-2006 rules apply, i.e. you *would* be restricted to
the LU/DLR network (and interavailable routes) once you got to
Liverpool Street (or Stratford, if you changed there).

You'd be restricted to the TfL rail network within the zones requested
on your ticket. The NFM extract also says you could effectively ask for
a London terminals to "U" combination where there was not a through fare
to "U" defined in the ticketing system.

I think I'm glad I'm not a booking clerk!
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:13:34 +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:

This ticket only gives validity to Liv St and then onto the LU
network as far as zone 4.

To be pedantic, I don't think this is true, strictly speaking. I
reckon it would be valid for a journey such as: 'one' to Liverpool
Street; Tube to Victoria; Southern to Balham; Tube to Morden.

Sorry but I think you are wrong with this example. Victoria to Balham is
not interavailable so is in effect another TOC journey.

Yes, I deliberately chose an example that was not interavailable.

A ticket purchaser would have to decide whether they wished to use NR
and then only LU to reach Balham or else buy a ticket from their origin
to Balham (NR) and then rebook to Morden. Other than a One Day
Travelcard I do not think there is a ticket that allows NR - LU - NR -
LU as a set of journey legs where the NR legs are not interavailable
with a LU service.

OK, I couldn't see any reason why you couldn't do NR-LU-NR-LU within
the zones on your ticket, but I suppose it doesn't explicitly say you
*can* either, so you'd be taking your chances with what the RPIs would
accept.