Joyce Whitchurch wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:

Why not just withdraw Saver tickets completely? Surely Oyster has
superceded them to any practical extent?

Too much faffing about for the occasional visitor, especially tourists.
You have to pay 3 quid deposit to get an Oyster in the first place, then
claim a refund when you hand it in.

Or keep it until you next come back. Our wonderful city is worth a
return visit you know! ;-) And I think we've said before, a little
homework before the start might make it cheaper to loose the £3 deposit
vs. the difference between cash fares and prepay.

We have two spare Oyster cards at home which we top up & lend to friends
and family when they come down to stop with us.

--
Phil Richards, London, UK
3,600+ railway photos since 1980 at:
http://europeanrail.fotopic.net
http://britishrail.fotopic.net

Paul Corfield wrote:

I think all of the "victims" were tourists but it made me consider just
how confusing our various ticketing options are to them.

Probably a good proportion of the tourists from outside of Europe
probably never even use public transport (except planes & taxis) back in
their home country on a regular basis.

--
Phil Richards, London, UK
3,600+ railway photos since 1980 at:
http://europeanrail.fotopic.net
http://britishrail.fotopic.net

Chris Read wrote:
"Michael Hoffman" wrote:

Can this be legal? If there was never any indication that the Bus Savers
could expire, then it seems like it would be a violation of the Unfair
Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations.

But did TfL say the tickets would never expire? I bet they didn't.

They didn't. For the discontinued Tube Carnet sold before the January
2006 fare change they had to be used up by the expiry period which IIRC
was one year after the issue date. That's crystal clear and an example
of how one could catch them out up trying to sneak this one through.

Suggest anyone who might want to pursue this arms themselves with the
current Conditions of Carriage, read page 21 onwards.


--
Phil Richards, London, UK
3,600+ railway photos since 1980 at:
http://europeanrail.fotopic.net
http://britishrail.fotopic.net

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:16:32 +0000, Phil Richards
wrote:

We have two spare Oyster cards at home which we top up & lend to friends
and family when they come down to stop with us.

If I lived in London I'd certainly do that. The Strippenkaart is
slightly more convenient in that respect as you can let a group travel
on one ticket (just stamp it twice) but of course you can't really
have that *and* capping, and in the great scheme of things I'd rather
have capping.

Neil

On 26 Feb, 18:44, Michael Hoffman wrote:

Can this be legal? If there was never any indication that the Bus Savers
could expire, then it seems like it would be a violation of the Unfair
Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations.

You could always apply to TfL to have your tickets refunded or
replaced. Unless you've been stockpiling the tickets in order to
engage in some kind of scam, I don't see why they shouldn't agree to
do so.

Sherilyn wrote:
On 26 Feb, 18:44, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Can this be legal? If there was never any indication that the Bus Savers
could expire, then it seems like it would be a violation of the Unfair
Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations.

You could always apply to TfL to have your tickets refunded or
replaced. Unless you've been stockpiling the tickets in order to
engage in some kind of scam, I don't see why they shouldn't agree to
do so.

If I were in that situation, yes, the first thing I would do would be to
ask firmly and nicely. But they have already stated publicly that they
will not refund or exchange current Savers.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent....asp?prID=1069
--
Michael Hoffman

On 3 Mar, 16:50, Michael Hoffman wrote:
But they have already stated publicly that they
will not refund or exchange current Savers.

I wonder if they simply cannot reliably distinguish counterfeits from
real tickets. If so that's unfortunate. I think giving people up to
June to use them up seems reasonable, though there may be one or two
people with large stockpiles to insure against possible fare rises or
something of the sort.

On Mar 3, 4:54 pm, "Sherilyn" wrote:
On 3 Mar, 16:50, Michael Hoffman wrote:

But they have already stated publicly that they
will not refund or exchange current Savers.

I wonder if they simply cannot reliably distinguish counterfeits from
real tickets. If so that's unfortunate. I think giving people up to
June to use them up seems reasonable, though there may be one or two
people with large stockpiles to insure against possible fare rises or
something of the sort.

Contrary to the impression given in the article, there have already
been two (or perhaps one and a half) designs of Saver ticket put into
circulation. The original ones were as pictured, but at some point an
amended design was issued. The newer type are identical to the
original version, with the addition of little embossed TFL logos (or
Dwarfish mine sign) repeated throughout.

AFAIR, no announcement was ever made invalidating the old, un-embossed
design. It would be interesting to know whether the majority of
counterfeiters have bothered to replicate the embossing on V1.5
tickets, or if they've simply stuck to churning out copies of V1.0.
--
Rob

"Sherilyn" wrote in message
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On 26 Feb, 18:44, Michael Hoffman wrote:

Can this be legal? If there was never any indication that the Bus Savers
could expire, then it seems like it would be a violation of the Unfair
Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations.

You could always apply to TfL to have your tickets refunded or
replaced. Unless you've been stockpiling the tickets in order to
engage in some kind of scam, I don't see why they shouldn't agree to
do so.

Because it is adminstratively costly for them to do so.

tim

"Sherilyn" wrote in message
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On 3 Mar, 16:50, Michael Hoffman wrote:
But they have already stated publicly that they
will not refund or exchange current Savers.

I wonder if they simply cannot reliably distinguish counterfeits from
real tickets. If so that's unfortunate. I think giving people up to
June to use them up seems reasonable, though there may be one or two
people with large stockpiles to insure against possible fare rises or
something of the sort.

I think a bigger problem is going to be people who have a
stock and use 1 or 2 each month o even less frequently
(perhaps because they don't actually live in London.

It seem unreasonable to expect these people to lose out
through no fault of their own.

tim