"J. Chisholm" wrote in message
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J. Chisholm wrote:

You can find LOTs of useful information on the Camden Council website at:

http://www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/environment/
planning-and-built-environment/major-developments/king-s-cross/

Jim Chisholm

Just noticed that closure date for 'comments' was 7 Feb, so perhaps we'll
see a 'result' shortly?


I think that is for the entire 'KX railway lands' development - presumably
as the LU Northern Ticket hall provides the foundations for the mainline
station Western redevelopment, the likelihood is there will be little change
to what has been published in the leaflets...

Paul

"chr1s" wrote in message
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The Pentonville access route will be lost and closed for access when the
other work is completed, but an emergency de training facility will be
maintained for both LUL and Thameslink into Pentonville Road direct.


When you say LUL here, do you mean detraining (as now?) from just the
disused Kings Cross District/Circle platforms adjacent to the current
Thameslink station, or will the passageway from the Victoria line platforms
remain for emergency use as well ?

Paul

In article , (J.
Chisholm) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com,
(John B) wrote:

On Mar 7, 3:16 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
All platforms with the complex to be step
free access. I think there are six new lift installations to be
installed for this purpose.
This is one meaning of "step free". Accessible by bicycle it
isn't. Not an LUL issue I accept, but relevant to the
Thameslink Midland Road box.
I'm confused: since when have bikes been banned from lifts on NR?

Do they even fit in the lifts provided? Liverpool Street had
ramped access. It was all removed and replaced not just by steps down

but also added steps up from the street before you can step down to
the platform level.

The question is, how will a cyclist arriving from or departing to
Cambridge at King's Cross Midland Road be able to get safely to
and from the road network? It varies from indifferent to positively
dangerous at present.

You'll have retired long before that becomes a problem from
Cambridge....

Not on current plans. When is the GN connection to Thameslink now planned
to be made? 2010?

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Colin Rosenstiel

J. Chisholm wrote:
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com,
(John B) wrote:

On Mar 7, 3:16 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
All platforms with the complex to be step
free access. I think there are six new lift installations to be
installed for this purpose.
This is one meaning of "step free". Accessible by bicycle it isn't.
Not an LUL issue I accept, but relevant to the Thameslink Midland
Road box.
I'm confused: since when have bikes been banned from lifts on NR?

Do they even fit in the lifts provided? Liverpool Street had ramped
access. It was all removed and replaced not just by steps down but also
added steps up from the street before you can step down to the platform
level.

The question is, how will a cyclist arriving from or departing to
Cambridge at King's Cross Midland Road be able to get safely to and from
the road network? It varies from indifferent to positively dangerous at
present.

You'll have retired long before that becomes a problem from Cambridge....

If that is true, it's nice to see an elected official doing some forward
thinking for once.
--
Michael Hoffman

Paul Scott wrote:
"chr1s" wrote in message
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The Pentonville access route will be lost and closed for access when the
other work is completed, but an emergency de training facility will be
maintained for both LUL and Thameslink into Pentonville Road direct.


When you say LUL here, do you mean detraining (as now?) from just the
disused Kings Cross District/Circle platforms adjacent to the current
Thameslink station, or will the passageway from the Victoria line platforms
remain for emergency use as well ?

Paul


The arrangement for Thameslink and LUL at the Pentonville site will be
the same, certainly one exit isolated from the main complex direct to
Pentonville Road, with maybe an alternate to St Mungos passage area onto
greys Inn Road.
Another question about this is that it is isolated from the main
complex. and to comply with the KX enquiry recommendations about the
relief passage from the main complex in use now being blocked and
locked, I was given to understand that it is isolated and will be locked
from the main complex when all is completed, and that from any spot in
the main complex there will be at least two independent routes out of
the station to the streets, Euston Road, St Pancras and Midland Road,
also some access to under croft of the CTRL area.
The design and and construction has had the recommendations of the
enquiry in the forefront, and with quite different pedestrian traffic
flows and congestion when the all parts are operational, the prediction
it will be about 70% full at the busiest time. with a 20% growth on
current usage of CTRL figures out of Waterloo, and the transfer of
traffic from Thameslink and FCC services up the WCML and Hertford loop.
Extensive modelling has been carried out and continues on pedestrian
traffic flows.

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (J.
Chisholm) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
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And then there is the reworking of King's Cross mainline to
come, especially sweeping away the "temporary" concourse.

Are they going to achieve the miracle of Liverpool Street of
converting a station with all-over step free access to one full
of stairs and escalators too? Anyone seen any consultations on
plans?
From what I've gleaned elsewhere, acess from the new northern
ticket hall will be via a footbridge across the middle of the
platforms, but the south end access will also be retained.

There's a summary sheet here Colin:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documen...ossLeaflet.pdf
No mention of cycles. I've sent them feedback via their web form
(no address on the leaflet). Searching the web site doesn't even find

that leaflet!

You can find LOTs of useful information on the Camden Council
website at:

http://www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/environment/
planning-and-built-environment/major-developments/king-s-cross/

Some Councils seem to get lots of useful info on their websites,
unlike some I could name. Perhaps their Councillors spend too much
time away from their elected domain (;-)

Ho. ho. My constituents take bikes on trains to London too!

How the hell is one supposed to find the impact on cycle access to and
from the station from this mass of documents? It hardly helps for
starters that the drawing PDFs won't open on this PC.

The concerns of cyclists was aired by the representatives about secure
cycle parking in the KX-StP area under KXRL redevelopment and KX
redesign. I think there will be cycle access to the Thameslink from
Midland Road only, the rest is on a park and ride basis.

On Mar 8, 8:48 am, chr1s wrote:
The arrangement for Thameslink and LUL at the Pentonville site will be
the same, certainly one exit isolated from the main complex direct to
Pentonville Road, with maybe an alternate to St Mungos passage area onto
greys Inn Road.

So you're saying the emergency route from the Victoria and Piccadilly
lines to the Pentonville site will be preserved?

Another question about this is that it is isolated from the main
complex. and to comply with the KX enquiry recommendations about the
relief passage from the main complex in use now being blocked and
locked, I was given to understand that it is isolated and will be locked
from the main complex when all is completed,

What's the relief passage you're referring to here? The only physical
link I'm aware of between the KXSP complex and the Pentonville site is
the route from the Victoria and Piccadilly lines - and the KX enquiry
recommended this should be open at all time (and certainly not blocked
and locked). Is there a second route between Thameslink and KX...?

and that from any spot in
the main complex there will be at least two independent routes out of
the station to the streets

....so the Vic and Pic passage *will* remain open?

The design and and construction has had the recommendations of the
enquiry in the forefront, and with quite different pedestrian traffic
flows and congestion when the all parts are operational, the prediction
it will be about 70% full at the busiest time. with a 20% growth on
current usage of CTRL figures out of Waterloo, and the transfer of
traffic from Thameslink and FCC services up the WCML and Hertford loop.

I hope you mean "ECML" here. But I'm now even more confused: the plan
for TL2K+n is:

* FCC ECML long-distance services will move from KX Suburban to SPTL
* Hertford loop services and other FCC locals will continue to
terminate at Moorgate on weekdays (I'm not sure a decision has been
made on whether to keep them in KX Suburban at weekends or to run them
full-time to Moorgate)
* FCC MML services will carry on pretty much as now (but longer, and
from SPTL instead of KXTL)

Presumably this has been the basis for the pedestrian modelling...?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Paul Corfield wrote:

On 6 Mar 2007 05:21:12 -0800, "Andrea"
wrote:

The current long route from the underground to platform level at
St Pancras station is a joke!

You have undoubtedly noticed that St Pancras has been totally
reconstructed to accommodate Eurostar, provide a new Midland
Mainline station and also a new Thameslink station.

Ahem. A *box* for a new Thameslink station.

which is currently being fitted out, though?

True. Somehow, it had escaped my notice that things were actually going
ahead there now. Sorry!

tom

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agriculture, animal husbandry, and plains-like landscape

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
.li...


You have undoubtedly noticed that St Pancras has been totally
reconstructed to accommodate Eurostar, provide a new Midland
Mainline station and also a new Thameslink station.

Ahem. A *box* for a new Thameslink station.

which is currently being fitted out, though?

True. Somehow, it had escaped my notice that things were actually going
ahead there now. Sorry!


It always surprises me how they seem to be working in near darkness whenever
I've passed through, has anyone else noticed this?

Paul S

On Mar 8, 11:33 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
It always surprises me how they seem to be working in near darkness whenever
I've passed through, has anyone else noticed this?


I thought there was a shield up between the building site and the
tracks (presumably at platform edge)...?

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org