Yeah, this is a situation where extending both the Bakerloo and Met
lines to Watford Junction is definitely a realistic possibility, and
both will have different purposes and different transport flows.

On Mar 29, 12:07?pm, "Jack Taylor" wrote:
burkey wrote:
There is now an oline petition to find funding for the building the
Croxley Rail Link, please take the time to sign it.

Click he We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to find
funding for the Metropolitan Line extension to Watford Junc

Where's the link, John?

Jack,

Sorry about the missing link! Thanks to the others for putting it
right!

John Burke

On 29 Mar 2007 06:51:12 -0700, "Kev" wrote:

On Mar 29, 2:38 pm, "Jack Taylor" wrote:
Kev wrote:
Why doesn't Tony's mate Ken fund it, now TfL controls the dc lines out
to watford Junc as well. Mind you Ken is up to his eyeballs funding
the East London Line, North London Line and the Olympics.
Maybe they have sussed that there isn't really the local will for this
link.

TfL doesn't control the DC lines, it will only be responsible for
service specification and re-franchising of the Silverlink Metro
service from sometime this year while the infrastructure remains with
Network Rail.

Depends where 'local' is. For those of us out to the west or north-west of
Watford (and probably the south-west as well) a direct link to Watford
Junction and West Coast Main Line services would be warmly welcomed. The
long trek from Watford Met, across Cassiobury Park and down Rickmansworth
Road, is exceedingly tiresome!

Ask the general populace of SW Herts about what they thought of the
Croxley rail link and I doubt that 95% would know what you were
talking about. Probabley need to make that 98%.
Bearing in mind that the bulk of WCML users will be business users
they will be using taxi or private car to Watford Junc anyway so I
don't think that they will be too bothered.

On 29 Mar 2007 10:48:52 -0700, "sweek"
wrote:

Yeah, this is

What is ?

a situation where extending both the Bakerloo and Met
lines to Watford Junction is definitely a realistic possibility, and
both will have different purposes and different transport flows.

Bakerloo tube stock is generally incompatible with both LU surface
stock and the NR-style stock announced as intended to be used on the
"London Overground" services which will eventually use the DC lines,
so those are two reasons for not re-extending Bakerloo Line services
to Watford Junction.

On 29 Mar, 20:45, Charles Ellson wrote:
Bakerloo tube stock is generally incompatible with both LU surface
stock and the NR-style stock announced as intended to be used on the
"London Overground" services which will eventually use the DC lines,
so those are two reasons for not re-extending Bakerloo Line services
to Watford Junction.

What's your point? If the Bakerloo were extended it would no longer
share any track with National Rail stock, and there are four platforms
(two islands) at Watford Junction for DC Lines and trains via Croxley,
so two could be Met height and two could be tube height.

U

"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...

Ask the general populace of SW Herts about what they thought of the
Croxley rail link and I doubt that 95% would know what you were
talking about. Probabley need to make that 98%.
Bearing in mind that the bulk of WCML users will be business users
they will be using taxi or private car to Watford Junc anyway so I
don't think that they will be too bothered.

That's a circular argument. Of course they are currently using cars in
preference to the Croxley Link, because the Link doesn't exist.

Sounds like a good idea to me, if it gives a link to the WCML northbound
from places like Harrow, Rickmansworth, Pinner etc without going via London.

Government keeps talking about capacity improvements - but they need to
understand that sometimes this involves spending some money.

Regards

Jonathan

On 29 Mar 2007 13:29:52 -0700, "Mr Thant"
wrote:

On 29 Mar, 20:45, Charles Ellson wrote:
Bakerloo tube stock is generally incompatible with both LU surface
stock and the NR-style stock announced as intended to be used on the
"London Overground" services which will eventually use the DC lines,
so those are two reasons for not re-extending Bakerloo Line services
to Watford Junction.

What's your point? If the Bakerloo were extended it would no longer
share any track with National Rail stock, and there are four platforms
(two islands) at Watford Junction for DC Lines and trains via Croxley,
so two could be Met height and two could be tube height.

The DC line is only one part of what will form "London Overground". If
the information in :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Overground

is correct then the class 378 NR-style stock is already on the way.
The DC line is part of what was built as a network of lines with
common equipment and working arrangements, it is not a self-contained
line. If anything it would be more sensible to run Met trains down the
DC line from Watford to East/South London as they (apart from their
loading gauge) are much more suitable for the line than tube trains.

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:08:21 +0100, "Jonathan Morton"
wrote:

"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
.. .

Ask the general populace of SW Herts about what they thought of the
Croxley rail link and I doubt that 95% would know what you were
talking about. Probabley need to make that 98%.
Bearing in mind that the bulk of WCML users will be business users
they will be using taxi or private car to Watford Junc anyway so I
don't think that they will be too bothered.

That's a circular argument. Of course they are currently using cars in
preference to the Croxley Link, because the Link doesn't exist.

Sounds like a good idea to me, if it gives a link to the WCML northbound
from places like Harrow,

Harrow and Wealdstone to Euston or Watford Junction ?

Rickmansworth,

Rickmansworth (Church Street) to ditto ?

Pinner etc

Hatch End to ditto ?

without going via London.

Government keeps talking about capacity improvements - but they need to
understand that sometimes this involves spending some money.

"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:08:21 +0100, "Jonathan Morton"
wrote:

"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
. ..

Ask the general populace of SW Herts about what they thought of the
Croxley rail link and I doubt that 95% would know what you were
talking about. Probabley need to make that 98%.
Bearing in mind that the bulk of WCML users will be business users
they will be using taxi or private car to Watford Junc anyway so I
don't think that they will be too bothered.

That's a circular argument. Of course they are currently using cars in
preference to the Croxley Link, because the Link doesn't exist.

Sounds like a good idea to me, if it gives a link to the WCML northbound
from places like Harrow,

Harrow and Wealdstone to Euston or Watford Junction ?

Rickmansworth,

Rickmansworth (Church Street) to ditto ?

Would that be the Rickmansworth Church Street that closed in 1952?

Peter Smyth

Charles Ellson wrote:
The DC line is part of what was built as a network of lines with
common equipment and working arrangements

Whatever gave you that idea? The Silverlink Metro is a mess of
orphaned lines built by countless different companies that have been
munged together to form a very mixed up network. The only line the DC
line was built in conjunction with is in fact the Bakerloo.

As far as rolling stock goes, TfL haven't ordered enough 378s to cover
all lines and provide an improved service, and they'll take several
years to all arrive. I wouldn't be surprised if the DC line never gets
378s, and goes straight to modified Victoria Line stock, which will
become available around the same time.

U