Boltar wrote:
On Mar 29, 4:41 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On Mar 29, 4:06 pm, eastender wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in news:1175178339.289628.78280
@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
what he's actually achieved since he's been here for his 3 grand a week
Er, 3 grand a day.
Bloody hell! How on earth can anyone be worth that much??
It's only the cost of 750 zone 1 paper singles.

Oh well, as long as it only takes an entire trains worth of people to
pay 1 day of his salary thats ok then. And there was me thinking it
was extortionate.

I intended more to make a comment on the extortionate price of paper
singles.
--
Michael Hoffman

On Mar 30, 1:52 am, "Frank Incense" wrote:
"Kev" wrote in message

oups.com...

Can anybody explain how Bob Kiley got round the drug and alcohol
policy or does it not apply at TfL.

Kevin

It probably only applies to station staff etc but not office knobs????


The D&A Policy is applied to all LUL (and I guess TfL) staff. The
amount of alcohol allowed in your system when booking on for duty is
zero.
The difference is that operational staff can get the sack, be
prosecuted and possibly be given a custodial sentance, whereas "office
staff" will most likely just be dismissed.
Also for LU Operational staff, if you are on any medication. You must
inform your manager/supervisor before starting work. If you are D&A
tested, and on the "prohibited for safety-critical" you could well be
in the brown stuff.

On Mar 30, 11:06 am, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On Mar 29, 4:41 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On Mar 29, 4:06 pm, eastender wrote:
"Boltar" wrote in news:1175178339.289628.78280
@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
what he's actually achieved since he's been here for his 3 grand a week
Er, 3 grand a day.
Bloody hell! How on earth can anyone be worth that much??
It's only the cost of 750 zone 1 paper singles.

Oh well, as long as it only takes an entire trains worth of people to
pay 1 day of his salary thats ok then. And there was me thinking it
was extortionate.

I intended more to make a comment on the extortionate price of paper
singles.

Well they are , but I guess now we know the real reason is to keep Mr
Jack Daniels in a job

B2003

On 30 Mar 2007 03:18:34 -0700, "chunky munky"
wrote:


The D&A Policy is applied to all LUL (and I guess TfL) staff. The
amount of alcohol allowed in your system when booking on for duty is
zero.
The difference is that operational staff can get the sack, be
prosecuted and possibly be given a custodial sentance, whereas "office
staff" will most likely just be dismissed.
Also for LU Operational staff, if you are on any medication. You must
inform your manager/supervisor before starting work. If you are D&A
tested, and on the "prohibited for safety-critical" you could well be
in the brown stuff.

And for any job the management must treat alcoholism as a disease
rather than a disciplinary matter.

Under LU rules a random or "for cause" D&A test is always supervised
by a senior grade, I'm presuming the LU system was adopted by TFL
(which took over many civil service personnel who were previously not
under such draconian rules!). In Kiley's case who would the
supervising senior person be?

As an aside, a friend of mine absorbed into TFL Streets from the DoT
turned down a staff pass for a number of years to remain on civil
service conditions and thus still be able to have a drink at lunchtime
(*not* to get drunk I might add!).

wrote:
Under LU rules a random or "for cause" D&A test is always supervised
by a senior grade, I'm presuming the LU system was adopted by TFL
(which took over many civil service personnel who were previously not
under such draconian rules!). In Kiley's case who would the
supervising senior person be?

A member of the TfL board?
--
Michael Hoffman

Ken wrote:
On 30 Mar 2007 03:18:34 -0700, "chunky munky"
wrote:


The D&A Policy is applied to all LUL (and I guess TfL) staff. The
amount of alcohol allowed in your system when booking on for duty is
zero.
The difference is that operational staff can get the sack, be
prosecuted and possibly be given a custodial sentance, whereas "office
staff" will most likely just be dismissed.
Also for LU Operational staff, if you are on any medication. You must
inform your manager/supervisor before starting work. If you are D&A
tested, and on the "prohibited for safety-critical" you could well be
in the brown stuff.

And for any job the management must treat alcoholism as a disease
rather than a disciplinary matter.

Really? I understood that for legal purposes (such as disability
discrimination law) alcoholism and other drug addictions were excluded
unless they result from another disease (for instance someone with an
addiction to pain killers resulting from being prescribed them to cure
another disease could claim that the addiction is a disease for
employment law purposes).

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plank removed. Each day he saw a nose, then the ears, then the neck,
forequarters, back and finally the tail. He pondered this for a time
and eventually declared. “I understand now. The nose causes the tail”