In article , Mark Brader
writes
Right. The deep-level lines
[...]
marketed themselves as being a New And Improved kind of underground
railway, and the word "tube" was featured in this marketing.

In due course the older lines electrified and got rid of their steam
locomotives,

This implies that it was after the tubes were built.

In fact, the key parts of electrification of the subsurface lines were
done in 1905-6. At this point the Central, part of the Northern, and the
Waterloo & City were open and the Bakerloo was about to open. The
Piccadilly and the Charing Cross branch of the Northern were still under
construction.

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Mark Brader:
The deep-level lines ... marketed themselves as being a New And
Improved kind of underground railway ...

In due course the older lines electrified and got rid of their steam
locomotives,

Clive Feather:
This implies that it was after the tubes were built.

It was done after enough of them were built for it to be clear what
people preferred.

In fact, the key parts of electrification of the subsurface lines were
done in 1905-6. At this point the Central, part of the Northern, and the
Waterloo & City were open

And most recently, the line from Moorgate to Finsbury Park that is no
longer part of the Underground.

and the Bakerloo was about to open. The Piccadilly and the Charing
Cross branch of the Northern were still under construction.

Yes, exactly.
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In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:18:38 GMT, "Martin Underwood"
wrote:

Are any of the lines in central Liverpool classed as being an
underground system, or are they all just part of the National Rail
system which happens to go below ground?

It's a bit of a grey area, really - AFAIAC, as a self-contained
system, it's an underground (if a small one) - I'd say it was more an
accident of timing that it ended up remaining part of the national
rail system, as IMO if it had been built in the last 10 years it'd
have been a PTE job like Metrolink or the Newcastle Metro.

In fact it has just been handed to Merseyside PTE.

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Colin Rosenstiel

(uk.railway added)

On 19 Aug 2003 08:13:27 -0700, (Jim Brown) wrote:

(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote in message ...

snip

In fact it has just been handed to Merseyside PTE.

Indeed - but full National Rail ticketing is to remain.

Whats the likelihood of the line to Wrexham being taken off the hands
of the Welsh TOC and intergrated into Merseyrail? it seems a bit
incongrous as it is.

Not sure - I'm not sure there's the demand for it, and there'd need to
be a load of new units if it was to be electrified.

Neil

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:13:02 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

(uk.railway added)

On 19 Aug 2003 08:13:27 -0700, (Jim Brown) wrote:

(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote in message ...

snip

In fact it has just been handed to Merseyside PTE.

Indeed - but full National Rail ticketing is to remain.

Whats the likelihood of the line to Wrexham being taken off the hands
of the Welsh TOC and intergrated into Merseyrail? it seems a bit
incongrous as it is.

Not sure - I'm not sure there's the demand for it, and there'd need to
be a load of new units if it was to be electrified.

Neil

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