On 5 May, 19:38, alex_t wrote:
South Wimbledon and Wimbledon are much closer together and Wimbledon and
Morden are close too.

Updated (and fixed south District and Northern in general):http://www.fxfp.com/get/tube/2007/05/m_001.png

Also I made a special version of the map with tomorrow's disruptions
included (or excluded, to be exact):http://www.fxfp.com/get/tube/2007/05/w_001.png

Interesting; I've always been interested in maps. There are several
points I'd like to raise, but it's almost half pas midnight, so I'll
leave it until tomorrow.

In the meantime, if you haven't already seen them you might be
interested in two maps of the New York Subway. The official MTA one
is almost a graphical map, but not quite; Staten Island, which has no
Subway, but does have the Staten Island Railway, is much closer to
Manhattan than it should be for example. You can download it he
http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm What you see isn't the
proper map; click on the link near the top to download the PDF
version.

Some years ago, in the late '70s or early '80s I think, the MTA
published a Beck style diagramatic map, but the New Yorkers didn't
like it, and it was soon withdrawn. Somebody has done the reverse of
what you have done; he has made an unoffical diagram, contrasting with
the offical map. It's available he http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/subway/

He hasn't been able to bring himself to abandon the graphical layout
of the city to the extent that Beck did, and this has caused him some
obvious problems in certain areas.

Stephen Furley writes:
In the meantime, if you haven't already seen them you might be
interested in two maps of the New York Subway. The official MTA one
is almost a graphical map, but not quite;

I presume you mean "geographical".

It's one of those maps that only looks geographical; although it
shows streets and landmarks as well as the subway lines, it has
significant scale distortions.

Some years ago, in the late '70s or early '80s I think, the MTA
published a Beck style diagramatic map, but the New Yorkers didn't
like it, and it was soon withdrawn.

1972 to 1979. The designer was Massimo Vignelli. In one important
respect this map out-Becked Beck: there were no diagonal lines.
Everything was drawn as either vertical or horizontal. Which meant
that in the more complex areas, a lot of lines had to zigzag to get
all the interchanges right.

The Vignelli map had touching parallel lines, up to 5 or 6 of them,
for each lettered or numbered train route following the same set of
tracks -- it's like the way the present Underground diagram shows
the Circle, Metropolitan, and Hammersmith & City Lines -- but the
stations were shown as dots *within* each parallel line, allowing
the same symbology to be used on sections like the Jubilee and
Metropolitan Lines where one route provides an express to the other's
local service (which is, of course, very common in New York).

One problem with this map was that it required a separate color for
every route, which is too many colors. They were labeled within
the stripes as well -- one advantage of having route names like "A"
instead of "Hammersmith & City" -- so you didn't have to consult a
legend to see that which train the blue stripe was. But the map used
since 1979 has used colors for *groups* of routes, allowing single
or double stripes to be used in many areas where the Vignelli map had
triples or more. It simplifies a complex system in a different way.
I like both designs.
--
Mark Brader | I passed a sign that said "you are here",
Toronto | but I didn't entirely believe it.
| --Michael Levine

My text in this article is in the public domain.

Mark Brader wrote:

New Yorkers didn't
like it, and it was soon withdrawn.

1972 to 1979. The designer was Massimo Vignelli. In one important
respect this map out-Becked Beck: there were no diagonal lines.
Everything was drawn as either vertical or horizontal. Which meant
that in the more complex areas, a lot of lines had to zigzag to get
all the interchanges right.

In Beck's last maps used by LT, he was heading in the direction of no
diagonals.... I can't remember if he quite reached it.

"alex_t" wrote in message
oups.com...

South Wimbledon and Wimbledon are much closer together and Wimbledon and
Morden are close too.

Updated (and fixed south District and Northern in general):
http://www.fxfp.com/get/tube/2007/05/m_001.png

Also I made a special version of the map with tomorrow's disruptions
included (or excluded, to be exact):
http://www.fxfp.com/get/tube/2007/05/w_001.png

Not a bad effort. Could show proposed extensions to Heathrow T5 and DLR
extensions to Dagenham and Woolwich Arsenal. Hillingdon spelt wrong. Perhaps
a double-arrow symbol to pick out NR interchanges?

Could show proposed extensions to Heathrow T5 and DLR
extensions to Dagenham and Woolwich Arsenal.

I'm going to make special version(s) with future extensions
(Overground, East London Railway, DLR, Heathrow, etc).


Hillingdon spelt wrong.

After FarringTon it does not surprise me anymore ;-(
Thank you!


Perhaps a double-arrow symbol to pick out NR interchanges?

Will be added - eventually.

"alex_t" wrote in message
oups.com...

South Wimbledon and Wimbledon are much closer together and Wimbledon and
Morden are close too.

Updated (and fixed south District and Northern in general):
http://www.fxfp.com/get/tube/2007/05/m_001.png

Nice work. I'd love to see one showing the disused stations, abandoned
stretches of track and unbuilt 1939 Works sections (eg Denham).
What about including the sections currently being built such as the East
London Line Extension and the DLR Woolwich Arsenal station?

Nick



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Nice work. I'd love to see one showing the disused stations, abandoned
stretches of track and unbuilt 1939 Works sections (eg Denham).

I have a plan for map of disused stations. I guess I could add
abandoned projects too.

What about including the sections currently being built such as the East
London Line Extension and the DLR Woolwich Arsenal station?

Both will be in seperate "future" version of the map.

alex_t wrote:

South Wimbledon and Wimbledon are much closer together and Wimbledon and
Morden are close too.


Updated (and fixed south District and Northern in general):
http://www.fxfp.com/get/tube/2007/05/m_001.png


Very nice work I must say. In addition to other comments here I have a
few thing you could ajust if you like.

* Canary Wharf Jubilee Line station is actually located east of the DLR
bridge between Canary Wharf and Heron Quays. For an out-of-station
interchange above ground as this one it feels wrong to have it on the
wrong side, it does not matter very much for underground interchanges
though.

* The same goes for Bow Road - Bow Church. The District Line makes an
S-turn around there and passes over the DLR tracks just south of the Bow
Church station. But I am not sure if it is really useful to correct this
one, maybe you should keep it as it is right now, just like keeping the
Northern Line branches on the wrong side of eachother between Euston and
Camden Town may be a good idea, especially if the main point of the map
is to show how the stations are located more than showing the lines
geographically correct between them.

* The Bank-Monument complex is good, but the DLR platforms are located
close to the Northern Line platforms so it might be better to draw the
interchange to the Northern Line from the DLR terminus, or somewhere
around there.

* The Charing Cross and Embankment stations feel like drawn very far
apart... Especially on the Northern Line those are actually located
*very* close to each other. But this is complicated to draw as (at least
I think that) the two parts of the Charing Cross station, Bakerloo and
Northern, are located longer from each other than Charing Cross and
Embankment platforms on the Northern Line. Maybe you could let the
Northern Line cross over the Bakerloo south of Waterloo or something so
that you can draw the Northern Line's Embankment and Charing Cross
stations closer.

* There is cross-plaform interchange between the Northern Line branches
at Kennington.

* I personally like your colour choise for the DLR. I think it matches
the colour used on DLR signage much more than the official darker green
map colour does.

--
Olof Lagerkvist
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Thank you very much for your correction - implemented all of them,
except Bank-Monument ones (but I'm going to redraw area around Bank,
Liverpool Street, and Moorgate soon).

In message , at 21:02:12 on Sun,
6 May 2007, Olof Lagerkvist remarked:

* Canary Wharf Jubilee Line station is actually located east of the DLR
bridge between Canary Wharf and Heron Quays.

The DLR also does two right-angle bends either side of Heron Quays. But
as has been said, how much is the map trying to plot the exact course of
each line, as well as the position of the stations?

the two parts of the Charing Cross station, Bakerloo and Northern, are
located longer from each other than Charing Cross and Embankment
platforms on the Northern Line. Maybe you could let the Northern Line
cross over the Bakerloo south of Waterloo or something so that you can
draw the Northern Line's Embankment and Charing Cross stations closer.

The Charing Cross Bakerloo line "station" is the former Trafalgar Square
station, and is noticeably west of the northern line part of the
station.

* There is cross-plaform interchange between the Northern Line branches
at Kennington.

I think the City branch of the Northern Line goes west of Mornington
Crescent. And if the Northern and Victoria have a cross-platform change
at Euston (I forget if it's true) then they shouldn't really be shown
crossing at right angles!
--
Roland Perry